The Neoconservative Persuasion

Weekly Standard ^ | 2003 | Irving Kristol

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"It isn't overpriced labor"

If A is willing to do B's job for less money for the same work, then B's labor, by definition, is overpriced.

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"various libertarian groups, such as Cato, find common cause with liberals on a promiscuous view of personal liberty or, to be more accurate, licentiousness."

If we got rid of Social Security and the tax code, won the war, and eliminated the lawsuit industry and regulations which drive corporations away, oh, and dropped gun control into the toilet in which it belongs, I could put up with a few folks smoking weed.

A couple of strip joints is a small price to pay to be rid of Kennedy, Byrd, Pelosi, and Schumer, in my book.

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One if one ignores the laws of this country regarding min wage and overtime. Just because you feel that laws should be ignored, doesn't mean that they should.

It's nice to see that you support those that break the law, simply so they can make profit. Let me ask you this, is a US citizen who isn't on welfare being replaced by an illegal who is subsidized by the US Taxpayer a good thing?

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Thank you, please continue to provide your service. Would you like me to copy you on everything I post?

PS. Check your posting history, you do not spell, user correct grammer all the time either.

Thanks A LOT!

;->

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So would it be ok for me to just take your property from you if I felt like I needed it?

I mean, it's just breaking a law or two and, as your defense of ILLEGALS and those that hire them shows, they don't mean much. Kind of an IS IS situation?

As for how I know? Well, see I asked some of the new crews they hired...and the admittied they where illegals. Is't amazing how easy men will talk to a woman.

[jmc813]

Neocons do not feel that kind of alarm or anxiety about the growth of the state in the past century, seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable.

This is the major reason that I feel that neocons are dangerous.

[jmc813]

I've noticed you on quite a few "neo-con" threads over the last few days. Out of curiosity, do you consider yourself to be a neo-con, using the definition Kristol laid out in this article?

[MeekOneGOP]

(Late) ping to post #18 !

The Neoconservative Persuasion

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Here's the facts...The President is a conservative leaning Republican. Is he perfect? No. However, he IS the best we can hope for in the current American political landscape. I hope no one has forgotten the influence of the media, Hollywood, academia, etc. nowadays. Ronald Reagan himself would have been demonized to a level you could not believe today. Oh, wait, sorry, he HAS been lately, hasn't he? His great fortune was that those he ran against were so incompetent and loathsome to voters then, he shined like the star he was through it all. We can't count on that today.

In November, one of two men will emerge as President...George Bush or John Kerry. Rail about that FACT all you want, but it is still the truth. What do you want, a comitted Leftist who wouldn't give a conservative's views the time of day, or a Right-leaning Republican who will at least listen to the Right? Which one do you want choosing judges, appointing government officials, or prosecuting the Terror War? You have ONLY those two choices, you know, and sorry, staying home is not only intellectual and political laziness, but in time of war, is a near-criminal abrogation of your responsibilities as a citizen.

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

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At NO time did I say the law should be ignored OR violated. I do not support the concept of a minimum wage, but that is a far cry from recommending its ignorance once passed.

The fact remains, if a good (labor) is available at a lesser price for the same thing, the higher priced good (worker) is overpriced, by definition.

Goods and labor only sell for what the market will bear. The labor market in the US is now waking up to the fact that its prices were artificially high.

[Torie]

Check your posting history, you do not spell, user correct grammer all the time either.

The above is an indubitably true statement. That is why spell check has become my friend. Cheers.

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IOW, a setup where most people are serfs and a few (including you, I assume) have almost all the money and power is what you want.

As for you not supporting the concept of a min wage, well that doesn't matter. It's against the law to do what is being done and you are defending those breaking the law.

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Then why point out my spelling mistakes, knowing that I was having trouble with FR as I said in my other posts. I use spellcheck when it doesn't take 20-35 seconds per POST for it to work. ;->

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LOL! How much money do you think a Navy E-6 makes, with baby and a stay-at-home wife (who, by the way, was downsized) makes?

If someone is breaking the law, they should be arrested and prosecuted. You'll get no dispute from me on that one. I do not and never have defended the breaking of the law. Where I disagree with it, I try to work to get it changed. I was discussing the basic economics of it.

Oh, and BTW, you were absolutely RIGHT over on that "Church vs. Porn" thread. See? Common ground.

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Reasonable people can disagree. (hope my husband doesn't read this, for some strange reason he thinks I'am hard headed!)

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You and my wife would get along great.

Look, economic realities have a way of changing. People who made buggy-whips had to get jobs in the S&M field after the car was invented (JOKE! It's just a joke...). Just because someone realizes this doesn't mean that they're Robber Barons or want to enslave the working class. It DOES mean that from time to time, people have no choice but to adapt to changing circumstances.

Back when my dad and me were putting in hardwood floors in New York, we were constantly being undersold by crews composed of illegals. We managed to get along, and even make a few bucks, by simply doing MUCH better work. They wound up with the cheap, low-dollar work, and we got all the high-end, custom work. They manufacture to low standards; we made our work an art.

In 1991, I got my Commercial pilot's license, with images in my head of working for an airline for big bucks. Guess what? That same year, the airline industry cratered, and never really recovered. Next.

There are people who, expecting to work at the same factory their grandaddy did, for the same high wages, neglected to make alternate plans. They must shoulder that burden now.

I do think we can do better on illegal immigration, and I do think the law should be enforced. But there's far more to it than just that.

We need to shut down the social giveaways that attract illegals;
We need to enact reforms that stop penalizing employers for just doing business;
We might try some means to get the states and local governments to stop inhibiting the INS, and refusing to cooperate with them.

Those are just SOME of the things we can do. Tort reform is another good one. If the climate for business is good, they'll stay in America and employ Americans.

As for the social programs, back to my original point...vote the Dims out. That'll go a long way towards fixing things. Note also, the only party containing people like Tom Tancredo who are actually pushing the issues you are concerned with is NOT the Dims.

[Sybeck1]

Great post, it should rally the troops, if they cared about winning!

[roses of sharon]

Never heard of "neo-cons" until Matthews started talking "cabal", and the conspirazoids started their mouth-watering.

But I think I like "neo-cons"!

Seems to me they are the only ones willing to stand up to the Islamic Cults that have roamed the globe for decades, murdering innocents with impunity.

Seems to me that all other political ideologies have had their chance over the last 25 years, in the US and Israel, to deal with, put down, or destroy the power of these cults.

To no avail, as was obvious 9/11.

Seems to me, it's time to give the "neo-cons" the next 5 years, at least, without the constant undermining their goals.

My god, lets remember who is the enemy here.

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Let's hope so. We've allowed ourselves to get dangerously sidetracked in these worthless feuds lately, and at the worst possible time.

[hosepipe]

A neocon is an ex-democrat. If a democrat had any sense they would'nt even be a democrat, and sadly mostly they don't have any sense even they are not democrats either.

[Veracious Poet]

"My god, lets remember who is the enemy here."

I thought the "enemy" of conservatives was BIG government.

BIG government is the handmaiden of the NeoCons, that is my problem with them and their ilk.

If the NeoCons lose power, guess who is going to inherit the monster they created? That's right, the original tax & spend dolts, the Liberals.