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Berkeley Intifada: UC Berkeley has lost whatever reputation it may once have had for tolerance.
EastBay Express ^ | May 19, 2004 | Annelli Rufus

Posted on 05/24/2004 10:26:50 AM PDT by billorites

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21 posted on 05/24/2004 11:24:12 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Grampa Dave
I was five units from being a Berkeley Cal grad. During the Peoples Park crap no less. Got sick (some rare bug I picked up on campus, that gave me reoccurring ear infections) and I had to find a job, so I never had the pleasure to get back to that filthy, smelly pigsty. I never got along with the TA's that ran the undergraduate schools, who thought they were gods. They were younger, but no less immature Bill Clinton clones.
22 posted on 05/24/2004 11:33:38 AM PDT by tertiary01 (The left rewards NO virtues)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They seem to lack good political sense. And these guys are really smart in most fields. Most of them will vote for the Anti-Semetic wing of the party (kerry). It makes reason stare.


23 posted on 05/24/2004 11:38:30 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: tertiary01

That is amazing that you were/are within 5 hours of a degree for Cal, and as a conservative adult you don't want to return.


24 posted on 05/24/2004 11:39:23 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (What left wing lies of the media, the DNC and foreign enemies will we expose today?)
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To: billorites

If you distill the essence of liberalism, you find fear and hatred.


25 posted on 05/24/2004 11:40:42 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: billorites

BTTT


26 posted on 05/24/2004 11:43:35 AM PDT by spodefly (Eschew taglines, even this one.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I never could stomach going back there, plus the fees had just taken a hike and I needed to get a job. I eventually became an RN instead of a teacher.
My cousin who is also conservative and living in N. Cal graduated a couple of years ahead of me. So there are a few of us.


27 posted on 05/24/2004 11:47:14 AM PDT by tertiary01 (The left rewards NO virtues)
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To: tertiary01
I grew up in the 'burb of Castro Valley. Based on my recollections of high school from '68 to '72, it would not surprise me that my classmates sent their sons and daughters to Berkeley.

I have such "fond" memories of my last two months of high school: within 48 hours of winning a 4-year ROTC scholarshop, I was reviled as a "babykiller" and "sellout" on campus.

I still laugh when I think about it: the valedictorian got a $250 Readers' Digest scholarship, I had my 4 years of college paid for by the Army.

Haven't been back to the old school in 25 years, no plans to ever go back.

Proud of my kids, though...my daughter's history class has been discussing the current war in Iraq. She stood up for Bush and our troops. She's a smart young lady who takes after her mother. Thank God she got her mother's good looks, too!!!

28 posted on 05/24/2004 12:02:44 PM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: billorites
Her lips were wet with fury. "If I don't agree with you, then you call it anti-Semitism!" she shouted, as friends arrived to support her. The young man was surrounded. "You call it anti-Semitismmm!" she raged. "Why can't you tolerate anti-Semitismmm?"

"Why can't you just climb into the damned oven, for the love of Allah -- ?!?"

29 posted on 05/24/2004 12:07:24 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It might be that both Christians and Jews need to examine the koran as part of their religious education. Mid East refugees from both faiths should be sought out as teachers as they have felt islam's soft embrace.


30 posted on 05/24/2004 12:21:08 PM PDT by Righty1
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I didn't know that you could chant allah achebars without de-capitating or blowing someone up! De-capitation is also not an expression of anti-semitism either.


31 posted on 05/24/2004 12:25:13 PM PDT by Righty1
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To: Grampa Dave
I know and have met a lot of Cal grads in N. California. I don't remember a single conservative from my age 65 to the new grads.

Color this Cal grad conservative!

32 posted on 05/24/2004 12:37:17 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

Good! Maybe one of these days we can meet in person.

I got my eyes really opened to the liberal Cal graduates who seemed to be moderates during the Clintoon/Monica mess.

Then, their anti America sentiments/behavior after 9/11 was a year old has been interesting to watch and listen too. Recently, many have lost all pretense of being civil or a moderate.

There is some hope. A young man from our church will be junior at Cal next year. He is conservative like his parents and grandparents. He assures me that there is a fairly large group of conservatives at Cal now. They just keep quiet in most cases and try to get a good education. He said these students are like him majoring in the hard courses, math, science, physics and chemistry.


33 posted on 05/24/2004 12:57:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (What left wing lies of the media, the DNC and foreign enemies will we expose today?)
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To: billorites

bump for later read


34 posted on 05/24/2004 3:14:22 PM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Better fight the WOT in the Iraqi "holy" city of Najaf, than in the American holy city of New York.)
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To: billorites
The slender Weinberg, a year younger than most freshmen, had only just arrived at Cal from Beverly Hills, where he had been president of his high school's Shalom Club. As a young teenager, he had savored heady stories of how Mario Savio and his comrades in the Free Speech Movement danced the hora and sang "Hava Nagila" at sit-ins and peace rallies forty years ago. The son of left-wing, Jewish intellectuals, Weinberg viewed himself as one too, having spent the summer before his senior year of high school in Myanmar, cataloguing the archives of Rangoon's disintegrating and depopulated Jewish synagogue. "That's why I came to Berkeley -- because of its strong romantic aura of the Free Speech Movement and Mario Savio," he recalls.

Yep, Israel was at the very top of the list of radical causes back in the Sixties. That's why all those Communist countries were so fricking pro-Israel for all those years. [/sarcasm]

For many in their parents' generation, however, Israel is not a rats' nest of fascism and right-wing aggression, but a socialist and largely secular paradise where the ideas of the midcentury left finally bore fruit.

So they had a "great leader" who ruled unelected and unopposed for fifty years like Kim Il Sung and Fidel Castro? Wow. I didn't know that. Did their soldiers fight against ours in Vietnam as well?

Frankenstein believes the protesters recognized him as a supporter of Israel and an opponent of Students for Justice in Palestine. As a student senator that spring, he had been openly pro-Israel. His parents used to smuggle books to Jewish refuseniks in the USSR, and one of his earliest memories is of chanting, "Let my people go!" at a rally outside San Francisco's Soviet Consulate. Far from silent on the student senate floor, Frankenstein had opposed a proposal that Cal become a sister school with a Palestinian university. The registered Democrat remembers his critics calling him a "conservative Zionist bastard" and proclaiming, "Frankenstein supports killing innocent children in the Middle East."

Well goodness knows, if I grew up protesting outside the Soviet embassy I'd sure be a "registered Democrat." I'm sure Stokely Carmichael was a close ally on this issue.

All this goes to show that many American Jews still live in the same world as Pat Buchanan: a world where Israel is classified with the Sandinistas and the PLO with anti-Communism.

The chickens are finally coming home to roost. But will people who think Yehoshu`a Bin Nun was a social worker be able to learn the lessons?

35 posted on 05/24/2004 4:11:22 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Are the Ten Commandments an appropriate "multicultural" decoration for Shavu`ot?)
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To: Montfort
American Jews are waking up to reality slowly, but not enough and not soon enough. There is still the understandable but still unjustified fear of conservatives because a few conservatives are evangelical Christians who think Jews will not be saved.

Evangelicals simply believe that because of the Fall all human beings are born damned and remain in that condition unless and until they are "born again" and "saved." Everyone who does not take advantage of the out that G-d has supposedly provided will be eternally damned, whether Jewish or anything else. Whatever one may think of this belief it is most certainly not anti-Jewish. As a Noachide, they must of necessity think that I will be damned also. This is their religion, but all the advocates of "religious liberty" seem to want to outlaw these people's beliefs. I believe ultimately the world will be governed by Halakhah, but I am adamantly opposed to suppression of either the true religion or false religions by hypocritical atheist bastards. And btw, if what evangelicals think about me doesn't bother me, why do so many non-Orthodox Jews get so bent out of shape? Every religion has different criteria for salvation. There's something wrong with "proud Jews" who have to be constantly assured by chr*stians that they are going to Heaven.

American Jews ahve an irrational fear of a theocracy that almost no oen on the right would favor establishing.

The very fact that Jews are always thought of as opposing rather than advocating Theocracy is a supreme irony that seems lost on most people of every religion and ideology.

`Od Yehoshu`a Bin Nun chai!

36 posted on 05/24/2004 4:24:31 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Are the Ten Commandments an appropriate "multicultural" decoration for Shavu`ot?)
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To: billorites

I'm sorely tempted to post a huge honking "schadenfreude" about the *liberal* Jews in our country, but this is too scary and serious a subject to consider it. Liberal Jews have cozied up to the Left for God knows how long now and it's finally biting them in the posterior. I sit here reading this article and find myself floored -- anyone who has followed the history of the Left, whenever it has attained real power in the world, should know that it is no friend of Judiasm (or any moral, right-thinking religious person). Yet, the manner in which the Left has blind-sided them is just staggering.


37 posted on 05/24/2004 5:56:38 PM PDT by Windcatcher (There's a reason why we say America starts in PA.)
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To: billorites

bttt


38 posted on 05/24/2004 5:59:14 PM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: Windcatcher
"I'm sorely tempted to post a huge honking "schadenfreude" about the *liberal* Jews in our country, but this is too scary and serious a subject to consider it."

Please don't, because I don't see it doing any good and the stakes are too high.

39 posted on 05/24/2004 6:25:46 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites
It's looking more and more like the battle lines are being drawn, and they're so wide and vivid that even the secularists can see them.

Sometimes I look at the world as it's going, and I really wish that I believed in pre-trib.

40 posted on 05/24/2004 6:43:13 PM PDT by Buggman ("You can't tell a deaf Chinaman anything by whispering in French." --Protagoras)
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