Posted on 05/23/2004 11:54:30 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"The problem, Homer, is that you haven't been defending anything yet. What is your answer--your reasoning to the questions?"
NONE SHALL PASS! sayeth the Black Knight.....
Excellent...very well put.
BTW, did you ever answer tame's questions or are you merely bloviating?
"Tame's been asking YOU for YOUR reasoning, Homer. He actually already knows my reasoning. So, the answer is???
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Since we are all holding our cards close to our vests, I respond that George Washington (what whas it you said...oh, yes..."duh" ) judged it to be so worthy, and I agree.
Do you disagree, lil' Ms. Palmetto?
Sorry....I have to disengage for a few hours.....but rest assured, I'll be back!
I WILL NOT PROVIDE A REASON! Sayeth RFHomer...
You were not asked what George Washington judged to be worthy. You were asked WHY the revolution was worthy. Even if you can provide the reasons WHY Washington thought it worthy, that has nothing to do with why the secessionists would NOT be worthy for the same reasons.
Stated another way, what reasons do youthinkg Washington would give against modern independence?
I can think of several reasons I would give, but you apparently haven't even thought of ONE reason (outside of "well, Washington supported Independence, therefore MODERN independence would be wrong).
To be blunt, you are not the sharpest tack in the drawer.
Huh?!? Let me get this straight. Because Washington judged Independence to be worthy, it therefore follows that Independence (today) would be unworthy?!?
That's just stupid. Quit humiliating yourself.
"Huh?!? Let me get this straight. Because Washington judged Independence to be worthy, it therefore follows that Independence (today) would be unworthy?!?
That's just stupid. Quit humiliating yourself"
ok, you paragons of wisdom and virtue...., last post for now....gotta hit the road.
In short, YES Because George Washington said so.....
In slightly more detail, George Washington judged independence worthy because we were being ruled by tyrants and proxy tyrants. Self-government was not ours, individual freedom was not ours, taxation was on a whim and there was an occupying force that prevented change from within and had to be defeated.
Revolution, armed rebellion was the only way to derail the status quo.
I submit that exactly the same situation exists for you secessionists.....except for the fact that you don't have a lack of freedom, a tyrant, taxation on a whim (I'm on the fence on that one, but what the heck), or an occupying force.......or a George Washington.
But I am so unreasonable as to state that even though the secessionists of today have the EXACT same scenario, with the above exceptions, you should still not be allowed to secede.
I'm moving up in the world though......I've gone from "dumb ass" to Greek Philosopher in very short order....I am enjoying my ascendancy tremendously.
As funny as it is.....maybe we should dispense with the name calling, for the decorum of the board, OK?
Far too ambitious. They should have picked one good sized city on the coast in a conservative state and all moved there. Mobile, Alabama would have been a good choice.
I disagree. The situation is probably worse today than it was then (see earlier posts for more on that.
But I am so unreasonable as to state that even though the secessionists of today have the EXACT same scenario, with the above exceptions, you should still not be allowed to secede.
I fail to see your reasoning, but at this point we've probably exhausted hope of a point by point dialogue. Please forgive me if I've been too tough on you.
Sorry for the harsh language. In response to your last post I agree in part with tame's response to you. The differences have not been clearly spelled out by you, but I think it's time to give it a rest. I don't think further dialogue with you would be beneficial/would make much progress.
"Please forgive me if I've been too tough on you"
I appreciate a rough-and-tumble debate, I just felt it degenerating, and wanted to get back to the point. I likewise offer apologies for any offense
BUT.....I feel that this movement that you belong to is outrageous, and am surprised that more interest has not been generated on this board.
Opposing this, as I am sure you would agree, does not mean I am not a good Christian. Unfortunately, I can't say the converse would be true for patriotism. Your dissent is welcome, of course, but I still feel secession is a wild step that sharply divides us, when the basic issues that are driving you to this step - generate nothing but agreement between us.
I think you understand that there is a healthy helping of futility in your movement. I'd love to see you suceed to make a 10th amendment argument - this needs to be done someday - but the ultimate step, secession....the nuclear option, if you will, is totally unacceptable and undermines your higher goal of a more moral society, which most folks agree with.
please see post to tame......apologies apply to you as well.
Are you truly not supportive of a secessionist movement?
I moved from Texas to Florida so I could vote for GW in 2004. I felt I had to do something to help save our country. I think a Christian nation may be worth a thought, but we have not completely lost America yet.
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