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Report Links U.S. General to Iraq Prison Abuse Case
Reuters ^ | May 23, 2004 01:07 AM ET | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2004 1:40:19 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

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To: lelio

---Who hired her? Who kept her in a position of control, if she is as you want to make her out to be, an alcoholic?---

I brought up alcoholism because Karpinski reminds me of a 1st Sergeant I had at the Presidio of SF. This 1st Sergeant had been stationed there for a number of years prior to a 1 year assignment in Korea, and was returned to the choice Presidio post right after. Within six months she had been pulled over by the MP's 3 times for DUI. By regulation she should have been sent to the Drug and Alcohol people for an evaluation after the first incident, but that never happened. This was a time when the Army was cracking down hard too.

Furthermore, one day she shows up sporting a cast on her arm. It turns out she had broken her arm in a brawl in a downtown bar. She had been scheduled for the Sergeant Major's Academy before all this and last I saw she was packing to go there. She was a very intelligent, energetic, and capable person and a drunk. At the time E-5's and below were being processed for instant discharges for DUIs.

Somewhere along the line this person had cultivated the patronage of powerful people. Karpinski is just a dead ringer for that 1st Sergeant, only now with her patronage pulled, she's reacting with the full over-dramatic range of denial and finger pointing that is typical of alcoholics once their denial mechanism starts to crumble.


41 posted on 05/23/2004 11:00:40 AM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: kcvl
Also, with LAtimes spin, but it absolutely confirms that Guy Lee Womack of Quadro infamy and Guy L. Womack, Graner's attorney are one and the same:

Iraq Prison Case Attorney a Military Law Expert

"..One of the few blemishes on Womack's record is an incident in 1996, when he was a federal prosecutor. Womack became wrapped up in a federal investigation of Quadro Corp., which claimed to sell an electronic device that could help law enforcement officers find anything from guns to drugs.

The federal government suspected the device was a fraud and tried to stop its sales and distribution. Womack, who was a distributor of the device, was questioned on the witness stand. At the advice of his attorney, he asserted his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself 42 times. He was never accused of a crime, and his job as a federal prosecutor was not affected..."

42 posted on 05/23/2004 11:04:03 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Let me guess:
The gloves they used also dont fit.
And the DNA evidence was planted.


43 posted on 05/23/2004 12:51:10 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: SkyPilot

The press does not want them hold Gen Karpinski accountable. She is a woman.

I'm not entirely convinced she's a woman.

44 posted on 05/23/2004 2:52:05 PM PDT by pickemuphere
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Shuck is assigned to defend Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick...

Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick. ..........Well, look who we have here.

This is the same Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick that mailed the CD full of photos to his uncle, Bill Lawson.

Uncle Bill then tried to blackmail the U.S. Army into dropping the charges. When the Army refused to abandon the rule of law in the face of blackmail, Uncle Bill then released the photos to Hackworth and 60 Minutes who then released them to everybody on the Internet from Islamic Jihad to al Qaeda.

Uncle Bill later had a news conference where he declared that the Army "had a chance to avoid all this"......if the Army had only given in to his blackmail.

It is my hope that Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick be prosecuted for every offense in the UCMJ the U.S. Army can come up with including UCMJ Article 104—Aiding the enemy.

45 posted on 05/23/2004 3:32:53 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Also Lyndie England's lawyer had problems himself bad enough for him to be fired by the England family lawyer in consultation with the family. ...... Lawyer fired in Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal

Funny thing is that, as an ex-JAG, he was the best lawyer Lynndie England had.

If Lynndie England shows up at her court-martial with her victim-feminist lawyers throwing out the < bad German accent> "she vas just following orders" < /bad German accent> excuse, Lynndie England might as well just skip her cout-martial and go directly to jail.

46 posted on 05/23/2004 3:44:45 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Oh sorry... I was being sarcastic. I read Tammy's article also last night, and thought it was pretty funny. I was wondering aloud if they were going to try and link the two.


47 posted on 05/23/2004 5:46:00 PM PDT by cgk (that's my story and i'm sticking to it)
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To: Polybius
"..Uncle Bill later had a news conference where he declared that the Army "had a chance to avoid all this"......if the Army had only given in to his blackmail..."

That was a rotten thing for him to do, and a dumb thing to say. It won't help Sgt. Frederick a bit. It sets up an atmosphere where the Army has NO chance to be moderate in the sentence. So far, Sivits who plead guilty and cooperated, got the maximum sentence possible under a Special Court Martial.

Frederick faces a General Court Martial with more severe jeopardy of punishment and by the time they get to him the fallout from this can only have gotten worse. All Uncle Bill has achieved for his nephew is to make certain the Army will throw the book at him.

48 posted on 05/23/2004 11:36:12 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

bttt


49 posted on 05/24/2004 11:26:27 AM PDT by malia (BUSH/CHENEY '04 NEVER FORGET!)
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U.S. Army Suspends General in Iraq Jail-Abuse Probe (Karpinski)

"..".. Asked whether Karpinski could face criminal charges, Schilf did not answer directly, but said, "This action doesn't close any doors."

"It's under review now," Schilf said of possible further steps regarding Karpinski. "It's ensuing from Major General Taguba's report. And the review is under way. And we don't know exactly how long it will take. But we want to be thorough and don't want to let any grass grow under it." ..".."

50 posted on 05/25/2004 12:22:55 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
>>>>>>>>>>>Karpinski has said that she is being used as a scapegoat for the command failures at Abu Ghraib.


Let's see...wasn't she supposed to actually be in command?
51 posted on 05/25/2004 8:58:30 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (There can be no détente with the theocracy.)
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None of the purported "Rules of engagement" involve the worst of the abuses.

Yeah, but yesterday, the History Channel ran a two hour History of Interrogation: "We Can Make You Talk".

Despite disclaimers that the filming, etc was completed before the Iraqi Prison Allegations surfaced, they admitted [10 minutes before the end of the program] that "Culture Shock" involving humiliation of Muslim Males by Females brought in specifically "to demean their Manhood" at Gitmo.

Yeah, Sanchez isn't as innocent as he claims.

52 posted on 05/25/2004 3:59:57 PM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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Interrogation techniques called violations; Bush 'disgraced'

".. Sen. Carl Levin, ranking Democrat on the committee, read from a paper describing the techniques - entitled "Rules of Engagement Relative to Interrogation."

They were orders issued to an intelligence unit at the prison as "standard procedures that could be followed" and a copy was given to senators Wednesday by the Pentagon, Reed said..."

Sen. Carl Levin was reading from the text of the rules. Some of the techniques such as "sensory deprivation," "stress positions," "dietary manipulation," forced changes in sleep patterns, isolated confinement and the use of dogs were mentioned in the quote on my post 7. It is massively unlikely that Levin or other Dem. would have missed an opportunity to disclose sexual humiliation as a permitted technique if it was on the list.

53 posted on 05/25/2004 6:45:41 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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Sen. Carl Levin was reading from the text of the rules. Some of the techniques such as "sensory deprivation," "stress positions," "dietary manipulation," forced changes in sleep patterns, isolated confinement and the use of dogs were mentioned in the quote on my post 7. It is massively unlikely that Levin or other Dem. would have missed an opportunity to disclose sexual humiliation as a permitted technique if it was on the list.

It was left off the list...you had to get to the last 10 minutes of the two hour History Channel presentation to hear the Gitmo practice of "Attacking the manhood of Muslim Males by putting them in with Women interrorgators who could go "In their face"...

As someone pointed out, Dog leashes and other things seen were NOT standard issue to the MP's, but the Military Intel types had them to control the Intimidation Dogs.

Look, that General Martin who commanded Camp X-RAY at Gitmo didn't decide to GITMOIZE the Iraqi Intel situation on his own...Sanchez, as overall commander in Iraq, had to request the change.

Every one is blaming the Female General, yet Martin ordered her, citing Sanches's Authority, to turn over the Prison to him.

Look, the History Channel will sell you a Video of the "We Can Make You Talk" program...as I said, the practice of using Females to "Attack their Manhood" at Camp X-RAY occurrs about 10 minutes before the end.

It was so striking that I called my son's attention to it, saying "THAT is just what has been going on in Iraq!"

54 posted on 05/25/2004 7:08:54 PM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: Lael
The list referred to in post 7 was "a set of interrogation "rules of engagement" used in Iraq." It was the what was supposed to apply in Iraq and some of those procedures required authorization by Gen. Sanchez.

As far as having female interogators, in an Islamic culture the mere fact of having a women to do the interogation or give orders to men might be enough to shock them or "Attack their Manhood", but that by itself could not be a violation of the Geneva Convention or American principles. What did the program on the history channel say the women specifically say they did, other than "In their face..."?

55 posted on 05/25/2004 8:20:07 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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What did the program on the history channel say the women specifically say they did, other than "In their face..."?

STRIP SEARCHES...BODY CAVITY SEARCHES...

PULEEESE don't get me wrong...if these MOSLEMS are HUNG UP on WOMEN...that's just G-D DAMN TOUGH!!!

How many WOMEN died 9-11??????

EVERY ENCOUNTER with ARABS only reinforces GENESIS...this is a People "with their fists raised against ALL Mankind, provoking a RAISING of FISTS in RETURN!!!"...Genesis 17:12"

"And he will be a Wild [ASS of a] Man, and , his FIST will be raised against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his breatheren."

This is the only case where, I entertain, in my fantasies...the BIG "G" !!!

56 posted on 05/26/2004 12:09:22 AM PDT by Lael (Patent Law...not a single Supreme Court Justice is qualified to take the PTO Bar Exam!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Let the truth come out.


57 posted on 05/26/2004 8:27:20 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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