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To: Plenum
I’ll post this in case you come back under another name. 1. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime. Rush should be treated the same as any other person in this situation. Not singled out for extra zealous prosecution and punishment because he’s a prominent conservative. And ALL addicts need prayer for their recovery.

2. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

Our highest national goal is defending our country from Islamic terrorists. We used the “UN needs to enforce its resolutions” argument in an attempt to get them to help, and many have wrongly used that as a justification for the war. It was not the reason. Defense of our country by dismantling the terrorist structure, was.

3. Government should relax regulation of Big Business and Big Money but crack down on individuals who use marijuana to relieve the pain of illness.

Ah. I note the vague “Big Business and Big Money” moniker to denote a sense of evil. Ha ha.

Everyone knows that the “Medical Uses” argument for marijuana is just a vehicle to get it legalized for the general public. There are plenty of other options for pain relief, if that’s all they were interested in. Government should relax regulation on EVERYONE. “Big Business”, small business and individuals. Using cretin drugs is illegal. Not enforcing the drug laws would not be “easing regulation”. Would not enforcing laws against murder be “easing regulation”?

4. "Standing Tall for America" means firing your workers and moving their jobs to India.

Please show me one Republican or conservative who has said ANYTHING like that. Just one. Oh, that’s right. You not responding to what we say, but to what the latest left wing liberal talking points memo said. Sorry, doesn’t wash. How about letting businesses decide for themselves who they do or don’t hire? No? Can’t let them do that! That would be just TOO much freedom. After all, freedom to conduct your own affair only applies if people will conduct them in the way we lefties approve of.

5. A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

It’s not “her own body”. There is another individual human being in there. Please show me where ANYONE on the conservative side has suggested anything like allowing “multi-national corporations” to make decisions affecting all mankind without any regulation. Just one. Oh yea. I forgot. It’s the talking points thing again.

6. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

You obviously have never spoken to a Christian about this subject or read the Bible. You’re using the liberal anti Christian version of Christian beliefs. Educate yourself, and come back.

7. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

Don’t know what “slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay” you’re taking about. There may be some debates about the amount of funding for veterans hospitals of something like that. I’ll bet that they would life up to the evil description of “slashing”. More than likely they’re just decreasing the amount of the yearly increase, and the Dems are calling it “slashing” just like the school lunch thing in the 90’s. I do know from friends in the military that moral has improved GREATLY since Clinton left office.

8. Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins unless you someday run for governor of California as a Republican.

Group sex and drug use are degenerate sins. Who on the conservative side ever said they weren’t. Does that mean that someone who has sinned can’t be governor? Who said that? Did many Republicans give him a “pass” on his past in the interest of winning? Yes they did. We have those in our party more interested in winning than anything else just like your party. This is a case of “take what you can get”. Is he the ideal Republican? Not by FAR. But, he’s what we have over there. We’ll have to work with him.

9. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

NO ONE has ever said that. More talking point nonsense.

10. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Allow me to translate your Dem talking points. “We should beg the UN, and by extension, France and Germany, before we take any action to defend our country.” That’s essentially what you’re saying.

11. HMOs and insurance companies have the interest of the public at heart.

NO ONE has ever said that. More talking point nonsense. They exist to make money. The free market, if allowed to work, which it has not been for a long time in the medical field, will sort out the bad ones and bring better service to all. If you don’t like your exclusive government provided health care, where else you going to go?

12. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

You’re referring to the Iraqi “constitution” no doubt. It’s socialism here, and it’s socialism there. Conservatives (not necessarily Republicans) do not agree with it.

13. Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but Creationism should be taught in schools.

It’s the “science” on “second hand smoke” that’s in question. Conservative just want BOTH sides of the issues taught in schools, not the one sided evolution, enviro waco indoctrination that the kids are getting now.

14. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Daddy Bush made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Baby Shrub needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Sadam was never a “good guy”. Did we help arm him in the past? Yes we did. You need to learn more history before you make goofy statements like that. It was considered in our best interests to help him in his war on Iran, and it came back to haunt us. Please explain when exactly “Cheney did business with him”. More talking points, no doubt.

15. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defence policy.

A president lying, UNDER OATH, about ANYTHING, is an impeachable offense. You forgot those little details.

Please provide ONE lie President Bush told to enlist support for the war. You can’t. Your Democrat talking points did not serve you well in this matter.

16. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the internet.

Any gay person can get “married” anytime they want. Just find a “church” that will do it for you. Now, are you suggesting that the government refusing to grant the fags legal recognition to their little farce is the same as “banning” said activity? Not very sound logic on your part.

And please send me a link the first time you come to a web sight that has had it’s content censored by the government. You upset cause you can’t find your kiddy porn of something?

17. The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George W. Bush's driving record is none of our business.

What are you talking about?

18. You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have a right to adopt.

Again, what are you talking about?

19. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital national interest, but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.

Still don’t know what the h*ll you’re talking about.

20. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

It so happens that I do not agree with the government’s position on trade with communist countries. But how do you think this demonstrates Republican hypocrisy when this was the same policy held by Democrats when they were in control?

73 posted on 05/23/2004 11:36:48 AM PDT by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Jotmo

Thank you, too! Great points.


96 posted on 05/23/2004 11:09:31 PM PDT by Floratina
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To: Jotmo
Just to clarrify your point to the banned troll:

"Rush should be treated the same as any other person in this situation. Not singled out for extra zealous prosecution and punishment because he’s a prominent conservative."

I recommend that the troll check with Florida to see just how few prosecutions have been made of this charge (I think it was one, offered as a plea bargain). The DA has an agenda.

108 posted on 05/24/2004 10:46:27 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: Jotmo
>>12. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

You’re referring to the Iraqi “constitution” no doubt. It’s socialism here, and it’s socialism there. Conservatives (not necessarily Republicans) do not agree with it.

Iraq was a socialist country (Saddam Hussein admired Joseph Stalin). I think this is a part of the reason the Marxists sided with Iraq in this war with the US.

Once people are hooked on suckling at the government teat, it can be difficult to wean them.

Nationalized healthcare in Saddam's Iraq left many without. We were told it was because of the "sanctions". We know/knew better. Saddam had billions for palaces and mosques.

In socialist systems, all people are equal. However, some are more equal than others.

109 posted on 05/24/2004 10:53:43 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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To: Jotmo
>> 14. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Daddy Bush made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him and a bad guy when Baby Shrub needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Sadam was never a “good guy”. Did we help arm him in the past? Yes we did. You need to learn more history before you make goofy statements like that. It was considered in our best interests to help him in his war on Iran, and it came back to haunt us. Please explain when exactly “Cheney did business with him”. More talking points, no doubt.

He probably thinks that Joseph Stalin is still a "good guy" even though he killed 20million people. Or maybe he thinks that we shouldn't have teamed up with Stalin to defeat Adolph Hitler?

110 posted on 05/24/2004 10:56:48 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS. CNN ignored torture & murder in Saddam's Iraq to keep their Baghdad Bureau.)
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