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14 arrested in undercover federal probe of Nevada gun shows
Las Vegas SUN ^ | May 21, 2004 | ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 05/22/2004 4:54:17 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR

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To: Cultural Jihad

Here is an example --- you once committed some kind of felony crime --- maybe embezzled money from your boss but you served your time and you're out --- your ex-husband or ex-boyfriend is dangerous and threatening to murder you if you try to leave him --- you cannot get a gun for your own protection. That's why I think this kind of thing is bad.


41 posted on 05/22/2004 7:06:56 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

Rights come with responsibilities. If one proves one's inability to act responsibly with a right, one loses the right. Whether one has to lose ALL rights is another question entirely.


42 posted on 05/22/2004 7:07:07 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Gun shows arent a license to sell illegal arms.

Just which arms are illegal under the second amendment? There is not a single gun law in this country which is not un-Constitutional.

When you see someone arrested for a non-violent "gun crime", i.e. merely possesion of a "prohibited weapon", what you are seeing is a crime being commited by an out of control illegitimate government.

43 posted on 05/22/2004 7:09:57 PM PDT by Living Stone (The following statement is true: The preceeding statement is false.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
A hacker can be barred from owning or using a computer.

A chronic drunk can ride a bus or bicycle --- what type of transportion you can have isn't a right in the Consitution --- a computer isn't either --- a computer isn't going to save your life --- it's not part of that right to protect your life or your family's.

44 posted on 05/22/2004 7:10:15 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

"You wait here. I'll tell the warden you're demanding your rifle back."

45 posted on 05/22/2004 7:12:38 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: Living Stone

Bingo, and amen!


46 posted on 05/22/2004 7:43:43 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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To: TERMINATTOR
illegal guns

Sigh.

They speak the same language as in china. Illegal this, illegal that.

America is a land of laws meant to balance the law of the lawless.

There may be illegal aliens, illegal individuals, but illegal weapons? Technology? Whatever.

When idiotic morons who don't know the law and who do not know the technology claim successfuly they can backseat drive airline pilots and what not, the nation is on a path to decadence.

47 posted on 05/22/2004 7:45:48 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: TERMINATTOR

I just do not understand how people do not understand this. WTF is wrong with these people with thier "reasonable gun laws"--and on a supposedly conservative board, at that.


48 posted on 05/22/2004 7:51:59 PM PDT by Living Stone (The following statement is true: The preceeding statement is false.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
"We are not targeting gun shows. We're targeting people who use gun shows as a conduit to traffic illegally in firearms," Torres said.

They're targeting gun shows.

49 posted on 05/22/2004 7:56:01 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Would you be so kind as to say a prayer for me the next time you have prostrated yourself before the state-god from whom all privileges flow?


50 posted on 05/22/2004 7:57:22 PM PDT by Living Stone (The following statement is true: The preceeding statement is false.)
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To: Living Stone
Okay, I'll play. Name one gun law that is NOT an infringement of the Second Amendment.

The laws that prevent felons from possessing guns. The laws that outlaw the use of guns in a crime. The laws that allow property owners to decide whether guns are allowed on their property.

51 posted on 05/22/2004 8:04:26 PM PDT by tbeatty (On ANWR: "Why should I care about a Caribou I'm never gonna eat?")
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To: TC Rider
"We are not targeting gun shows. We're targeting people who use gun shows as a conduit to traffic illegally in firearms," Torres said.

They're targeting gun shows.

Nice to see that there are folks around who can translate government-speak into plain English.

52 posted on 05/22/2004 8:05:34 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Cultural Jihad

Obviously you lose your rights while in prison --- but if you are considered not a threat to society and can be set free then you should have your rights. A lot of crimes fall under the label "felony". If you're going to murder, you can obtain the means to do it --- but if that's the case, you should stay locked up.


53 posted on 05/22/2004 8:07:28 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Living Stone

It's not a joke. There are people who hold extreme views who try to claim that prisoners have an unalienable right to possess handguns and shotguns while in prison.


54 posted on 05/22/2004 8:09:23 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: tbeatty
The laws that prevent felons from possessing guns.

If someone is such a threat to society that they cannot be trusted with thier civil liberties, then they should remain confined, or just be executed if they have commited any sort of violent crime.

The laws that outlaw the use of guns in a crime.

Well, robbery is already illegal, what difference does it make wether a gun , a knife or a baseball bat is used to facillitate the commision of a crime?

The laws that allow property owners to decide whether guns are allowed on their property.

I'll give you that one, as I am all for the rights of property owners.

55 posted on 05/22/2004 8:13:51 PM PDT by Living Stone (The following statement is true: The preceeding statement is false.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
It's not a joke. There are people who hold extreme views who try to claim that prisoners have an unalienable right to possess handguns and shotguns while in prison.

While I am certainly not stupid enough to think that rightly confined prisoners be should be armed, I think there should be no restrictions of the keeping and bearing of all manner of arms by those who are not justly incarcerated.

The deprivation of the rights of the innocent due to the activities of the criminal is a crime.

56 posted on 05/22/2004 8:20:13 PM PDT by Living Stone (The following statement is true: The preceeding statement is false.)
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To: Living Stone; Cultural Jihad
I'm thinking that the best way to deal with Jihad is to completely ignore him from now on.

It makes little sense to engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed.

57 posted on 05/22/2004 8:24:34 PM PDT by Critter (What ever happened to conservative principles?)
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To: Critter; Cultural Jihad

I do not think CJ is witless.

I think that he is perhaps a bit too deeply entrenched in some thought patterns with which I will forever disagree.

There may well come a day when those opposed to a wider liberty in this country will come to thier senses and realize the error of thier ways, and become our willing allies in the battle for freedom. I have seen it happen before.


58 posted on 05/22/2004 8:32:58 PM PDT by Living Stone (The following statement is true: The preceeding statement is false.)
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To: Living Stone
I agree with all of your concepts of freedom, but I support more freedoms, such as the freedom of people to decide what kind of a society they are going to live in, all within Constitutional bounds.
59 posted on 05/22/2004 8:38:55 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad (Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
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To: Living Stone
I'll give you a true life example:

Backed into ex-wife's car accidentally on her property.
Over $500. worth of damage.
In Texas, if that was done on purpose, it's wilful destruction of private property and is classed as a felony.
Ex-wife claims it was on purpose.
Convicted of a felony, but probated sentence.

Should I EVER have a Concealed Carry Permit?

60 posted on 05/22/2004 8:39:00 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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