Posted on 05/21/2004 12:56:04 PM PDT by .cnI redruM
Egregiously not mentioned. Out of 500 AR 15-6 investigations recently conducted, only 5 have been chaired by a Major General. Abu Ghraib coverup, not exactly.
But they spread out reporting it for 3 months....
Someone saw the pictures and reported it.
Well well well........
the plot thickens.
To these whiners
A “Col Jeesup's rant” I think it's time for Donald Rumsfeld to have a few words with ABCNBCBCCNNandpress:
"Liberals, we live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, ABCNBCCBCCNNandpress?
"I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for prisoners at Abu Ghraib and curse the Commander-In-Chief, you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that prisoner intimidation at Abu Ghraib, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives."
"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at ABCNBCBCCNN you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punch line in a propaganda headline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to TV media who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it.
I would rather you just said "thank you," and you go back to reporting the real news. Otherwise, I suggest that you get off that elitist throne, put down the microphone equipment, push away from the feeding trough, waddle your fat ass outta my sight! Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to." Chicagofarmer
So they weren't terrorists after all?
The miedia has latched on this story like a pit bull with lockjaw. The only cure is to put them out of their misery.
What did we do before Scripture was written down?
Is God alive and still able to speak to us?
Did He stop speaking to us 1600 years ago and that's all we get to go on?
If God chose the medium of the day to reach you... would you listen?
Just some thoughts for you to consider. I'd have Freepmailed you on the subject but my office firewall won't allow it.
Good question. I'd say the FReepers touting the "Abuse yields info" line have egg on their faces.
A question to start off:
Do you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God?
(I'd have FReepmailed you too, but not sure if your office firewall will allow it?)
Can't help but wonder that many of the same people who seemed to be most concerned about this abuse are also very liberal and would think nothing of the ultimate abuse committed against the innocent; abortion. How come all of a sudden these people are so concerned about mistreatment of non us citizens criminals while millions of innocent people are being killed in our own country, this nation gone insane!
Oh my God! Are we going to see these soldiers posing with bunch of naked Thanksgiving turkeys?
I'm willing to bet the the plot will solidify once they start publishing the pictures of the porn-pig princesses in smut-hog heaven sexually fondling the male prisoners, themselves stripped naked and having sex for the camera. I think the release of these photos will solidify this story rock hard.
Of course. I also believe He has more to say. Can you find anything in the Bible that says God will speak to us no more? I know people like to point to the end of Revelation--but that is one book of many. Revelation is part of a library of books... the prohibition of adding what isn't written in that book doesn't extend beyond that book.
Need a better argument? Revelation was written somewhere around 70 AD. The last book included in the NT compilation was written around 100 AD...should this book be disallowed because it added to what was written? Of course not. Each of the books (and letters) stood alone as part of the faith until compiled into a volume of faith. One doesn't speak for the others. Neither do they contradict.
Before The Word was written, it was spoken. It was handed down through generations by oral tradition. You can't recreate the old Jewish rituals prescribed by Law with the written word alone and you can't fully understand the entirety of the Word in both Testaments without tradition to fill the gaps.
No gaps, you say? How many times does a Gospel have to say that Jesus went somewhere and did some things with no further information for you to believe that He did and said more than is recorded? The Gospel of John says very clearly that Jesus did far more than what was recorded... are these other things not allowed to be part of our faith? What is recorded is the necessity of the faith, yes. The rest was instructed and handed down through practice.
The Gospels note that Jesus spent 40 days with us after His resurrection. This period gets a couple of paragraphs. One day of testimony before Congress fills volumes larger than the whole of the books of the Bible. Surely you can believe that Jesus didn't use this period to do only what was recorded and twiddle His thumbs for the rest. Tradition tells us He spent this time establishing His Church. Can you repudiate this by simply saying that because it wasn't recorded in the Bible it didn't happen?
Sola Scriptura doesn't add up.
I have to go now. I'll check for more messages later. To everyone else... sorry for highjacking of the thread but, given my firewall, it seemed the only way to have this conversation.
Of course.
Excellent--just wanted to make sure that wasn't the source of our possible disagreement.
As a bit of background, my current tagline was inspired by a discussion of birth control on another thread. I briefly considered replacing the word "Anything" with something a little more specific like "A belief system" but decided to leave it alone for the sake of aesthetics.
Let me try to answer your earlier questions:
What did we do before Scripture was written down?
Not sure that's relevant. The context of my tagline is the here and now. We have the Scriptures. We read them and (hopefully) apply them to our lives today.
Is God alive and still able to speak to us?
Most definitely.
Did He stop speaking to us 1600 years ago and that's all we get to go on?
Of course not.
If God chose the medium of the day to reach you... would you listen?
You mean if God appeared on my TV set? Nothing is impossible for Him, but that would definitely be a first for me. I think a preliminary question should be "How do I know whether or not it's God speaking through the medium of the day?" The answer to that is Scripture and the Holy Spirit, which enable us to "test everything" (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
With all due respect, perhaps our misunderstanding is rooted in your thinking that I believe because something wasn't recorded in the Bible it didn't happen?
I believe no such thing.
With all due respect, perhaps it's because the following tagline sure sounds like that's what you mean to say...
Anything that claims to come from God but can't be confirmed in Scripture, hasn't.
Not trying to be argumentative. We probably have no disagreement... just thought it was an interesting tagline that called for a discussion. Happy Monday!
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