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This is not the future of wars...it is the present. The media will defeat us if we don't act quickly, decisively and totally.
1 posted on 05/20/2004 5:19:06 AM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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2 posted on 05/20/2004 5:24:10 AM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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There should be an accidental bomb drop on al-Jazeera.


4 posted on 05/20/2004 5:24:59 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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Another alternative is to have honest media in this country, that exposes the lies from the world press, so that we become more skeptical and tough-skinned about world criticism. I'm not going to say it'll happen, just that it would help.

Have you ever seen an article about, say, Israelis firing on rock-throwing Palestinian youths that led with the information that gunmen were in the crowd using the aforementioned youths as cover? Not even on Fox.

5 posted on 05/20/2004 5:28:27 AM PDT by prion
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I stll think tactical nuclear weapons are the only way to regain the upper hand nowadays. Unfortunately that would not work in the long run.

America has to stop trying to be accepted by the world. We need to stand up for ourselves and boot all of the globalists out of our country, along with the UN headquarters.

Of course none of this will happen and we will continue on our path to destruction. We are witnessing national suicide.

Anyone know a good place to start another republic?

LOL!

6 posted on 05/20/2004 5:33:33 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (American-Negro-Conservative- A Return to the Party of Lincoln)
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>> The media weren't reporting. They were taking sides. With our enemies. And our enemies won. Because, under media assault, we lost our will to fight on.

Propagandists, including those in the employment of the media, are grave enemies during war time and should be killed.


7 posted on 05/20/2004 5:34:50 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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8 posted on 05/20/2004 5:34:51 AM PDT by dennisw (Koran teaches: "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers." (Sura 8:12))
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The Marines in Fallujah weren't beaten by the terrorists and insurgents, who were being eliminated effectively and accurately. They were beaten by al-Jazeera. By lies.

Get used to it.

This is the new reality of combat.

This is the only part of this war that's identical to Viet Nam. There's nothing new about it.

9 posted on 05/20/2004 5:36:32 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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The Global War on Terror is going to be a decades-long struggle. The military will not always be the appropriate tool to apply. But when a situation demands a military response, our forces must bring to bear such focused, hyper-fast power that our enemies are overwhelmed and destroyed before hostile cameras can defeat us.

Bump.

10 posted on 05/20/2004 5:39:04 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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"the deal not only horrified Iraq's kurd and Shia Arabs"
Yes in deed we are horrified, and I can not understand what happened in Fallujah,where are the militias who were fighting and the terrorists, where are the heavey arms they were fighting with. We have not heared of any of these that should had happened, instead now Falujah fighters are source of the suicide bombings which started again in the rest of Iraq after the siege of Falujah was over. We just left them to move to other areas of the countrey and continue their terrorist acts against every body, and joined to help with Mahdi army.
I feel realy sad, Aljazera and BBC are helping these people more than any body can imagin. I feel that BBC is another Arabic channel, I don't know about American channels.


11 posted on 05/20/2004 5:39:54 AM PDT by Hewar
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Anti media ping. Time to quit fighting the PC war. This makes me very upset, and is only helping the enemy.


12 posted on 05/20/2004 5:42:13 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dumbocrats and the media are part of the al Queda terrorist network.)
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Good Read.

13 posted on 05/20/2004 5:43:11 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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I usually agree with Peters' observations about the war. But not in this case. The kind of media-driven propaganda that he describes is not new. It has been a factor in wars since the invention of the printing press. Mass communication has, indeed, increased the ability of the enemy to disseminate misinformation more quickly. However, this only means that the winning side must be able to coordinate its efforts in such a way as to maintain its will to win in the midst of all this bullshit.

The problem is this; there are now large segments of the US population, possibly HALF, who are effectively fighting on the side of the enemy. Any hope we have of prevailing in this war requires marshalling our efforts, on the ground and in the media, so that we ultimately defeat the enemy abroad and AT HOME.

Lamenting the fact that the Democrats and their shills in the media constitute an enemy fifth column will not matter should their tactics be allowed to succeed. Bush has to fight the war here as much as he has to fight it abroad. He can begin by not letting the enemy's (read Democrats) bullshit sway his decisions, as in Fallujah, which undercuts his own position and demoralizes his own base.


14 posted on 05/20/2004 5:44:50 AM PDT by vanmorrison
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No press, no prisoners.


15 posted on 05/20/2004 5:45:23 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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If the American public loses its resolve to oppose the evil which President George Bush identified in his speech to the nation following the their 9/11 suicidal declaration of war on the U.S., due to the continued bleating of the lambs of media outlets,

then they should be silenced....though not as harshly as Nick Berg's screams were...



If this is war, then there should be censorship as applied in WW II.But the media was mostly comprised of America loving patriots then..who recognized our and the free world's efforts as a war against evil.

16 posted on 05/20/2004 5:47:18 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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The media will defeat us if we don't act quickly, decisively and totally.

Well, we can always shell their hotel again... :-)

17 posted on 05/20/2004 5:47:23 AM PDT by theDentist (John Kerry never saw a TAX he wouldn't HIKE !!!)
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"The media weren't reporting. They were taking sides. With our enemies. And our enemies won. Because, under media assault, we lost our will to fight on."

When are we going to wake up to the fact that the media has become one of the enemy? I'm all for watchdog journalism, but these guys are deliberately manipulating the outcome of the war with propaganda - just like they did in Viet Nam.

We need to march on the offices of CNN, NYT et al and SHUT THEM DOWN.


18 posted on 05/20/2004 5:50:16 AM PDT by Fenris6
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Why is Al Jazeera still on the air ?


19 posted on 05/20/2004 6:10:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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We saw it in the beginning of the war when we waivered for months so that Colin Powell could try to put together his coalition, while convoys of trucks carried unidentified materials out of Iraq and into Syria.


22 posted on 05/20/2004 7:36:36 AM PDT by Piranha
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We saw it in Fallujah, where slow-paced tactical success led only to cease-fires that comforted the enemy and gave the global media time to pound us even harder. Those cease-fires were worrisomely reminiscent of the bombing halts during the Vietnam War — except that everything happens faster now.

Gen. Kimmit just briefed on the high nunber of successful military operations in Iraq and the fact that the money-for-weapons program has been so successful in Fallujah that it's been extended for two more days. Iraqi's are patrolling in Fallujah, where is the defeat?

While the author's correct about the perfidy of media reporting during war, (this one, VietNam, take your pick) the rest of his premises are bunk. Sombody must have peed in Peter's cornflakes....

Prairie

24 posted on 05/20/2004 7:42:18 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (sKerry is a sKunk!!)
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Great article by RP.

What do we do when our media is our enemy?

They are trying to duplicate their "victory" in Viet Nam: causing the defeat of the USA.

How do we put pressure on our own Tokyo Roses and Lord Haw Haws? How do we make it so painful for them to continue to be 5th column traitors, that they cease and desist?

26 posted on 05/20/2004 7:55:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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