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Fritz Hollings blames Iraq on American Jews and Israel
Hollings Homepage ^ | May 6 2004 | Fritz Hollings

Posted on 05/19/2004 1:22:00 PM PDT by aft_lizard

With 760 dead in Iraq and over 3,000 maimed for life, home folks continue to argue why we are in Iraq -- and how to get out.

Now everyone knows what was not the cause. Even President Bush acknowledges that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Listing the 45 countries where al-Qaida was operating on September 11 (70 cells in the U.S.), the State Department did not list Iraq. Richard Clarke, in "Against All Enemies," tells how the United States had not received any threat of terrorism for 10 years from Saddam at the time of our invasion.

On Page 231, John McLaughlin of the CIA verifies this to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. In 1993, President Clinton responded to Saddam's attempt on the life of President George H.W. Bush by putting a missile down on Saddam's intelligence headquarters in Baghdad. Not a big kill, but Saddam got the message -- monkey around with the United States and a missile lands on his head. Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know.

Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if there were any or if they had been removed. With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel.

Led by Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer, for years there has been a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel's security is to spread democracy in the area. Wolfowitz wrote: "The United States may not be able to lead countries through the door of democracy, but where that door is locked shut by a totalitarian deadbolt, American power may be the only way to open it up." And on another occasion: Iraq as "the first Arab democracy ... would cast a very large shadow, starting with Syria and Iran but across the whole Arab world." Three weeks before the invasion, President Bush stated: "A new regime in Iraq would serve as a dramatic and inspiring example for freedom for other nations in the region."

Every president since 1947 has made a futile attempt to help Israel negotiate peace. But no leadership has surfaced amongst the Palestinians that can make a binding agreement. President Bush realized his chances at negotiation were no better. He came to office imbued with one thought -- re-election. Bush felt tax cuts would hold his crowd together and spreading democracy in the Mideast to secure Israel would take the Jewish vote from the Democrats. You don't come to town and announce your Israel policy is to invade Iraq. But George W. Bush, as stated by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and others, started laying the groundwork to invade Iraq days after inauguration. And, without any Iraq connection to 9/11, within weeks he had the Pentagon outlining a plan to invade Iraq. He was determined.

President Bush thought taking Iraq would be easy. Wolfowitz said it would take only seven days. Vice President Cheney believed we would be greeted as liberators. But Cheney's man, Chalabi, made a mess of the de-Baathification of Iraq by dismissing Republican Guard leadership and Sunni leaders who soon joined with the insurgents. Worst of all, we tried to secure Iraq with too few troops.

In 1966 in South Vietnam, with a population of 16,543,000, Gen. William C. Westmoreland, with 535,000 U.S. troops was still asking for more. In Iraq with a population of 24,683,000, Gen. John Abizaid with only 135,000 troops can barely secure the troops much less the country. If the troops are there to fight, they are too few. If there to die, they are too many. To secure Iraq we need more troops -- at least 100,000 more. The only way to get the United Nations back in Iraq is to make the country secure. Once back, the French, Germans and others will join with the U.N. to take over.

With President Bush's domino policy in the Mideast gone awry, he keeps shouting, "Terrorism War." Terrorism is a method, not a war. We don't call the Crimean War with the Charge of the Light Brigade the Cavalry War. Or World War II the Blitzkrieg War. There is terrorism in Northern Ireland against the Brits. There is terrorism in India and in Pakistan. In the Mideast, terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily. Here, might does not make right -- right makes might. Acting militarily, we have created more terrorism than we have eliminated.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: byrdsbestfriend; fritzhollings; kennedysbuddy; kkk; senator
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To: Rastus
Also today, Kerry praised Senator Byrd and called him a "mentor."

I envision side by side pictures of Kerry with Byrd and Byrd in his KKK outfit. Add this quote. Distribute to traditional DemocRat areas in the deep South and the inner cities.

41 posted on 05/19/2004 1:56:48 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Zack Nguyen
I'm sure Saddam found it hysterically funny. The missile didn't land "on his head" but rather "on his intelligence service" in the dead of night with few people around.

I'm sure it ruined the evening for those Iraqi arch villin cleaning women and night watchmen. Clinton really scared the Shite out of Saddam with that attack.

Fritz is senile.

42 posted on 05/19/2004 1:57:36 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Terrence DoGood

I share your optimism...I read an article here a few days ago..one of the GOP candidates, a congresscritter, is sterongly free-trade, while the others are soundign more and more like protectionists?..and is Inez whatshername as strong as reputed..I think the seat is safe GOP for the next 50 years...


43 posted on 05/19/2004 1:58:17 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: aft_lizard
the Mideast, terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily

Isn't that sort of like a woman trying negotiate with a rapist, instead of just shooting him? It's actually worse than that, because if you did manage to negotiate with one Islamofacist, the others would promptly disavow him, and kill him if they could.

44 posted on 05/19/2004 1:59:41 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: aft_lizard
I don't see any blaming of American Jews; all I see is, "Bush felt tax cuts would hold his crowd together and spreading democracy in the Mideast to secure Israel would take the Jewish vote from the Democrats."
45 posted on 05/19/2004 2:00:36 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: aft_lizard
In the Mideast, terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily.

How do you negotiate with people who fly airplanes into crowded buildings? ( South Carolina - one of your villages is missing it's idiot)

46 posted on 05/19/2004 2:03:19 PM PDT by Timocrat (I Emanate on your Auras and Penumbras Mr Blackmun)
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To: Terrence DoGood
There are 6 Republicans vying for the seat and 1 Democrat with virtually no chance of winning in a very conservative state.

..Ky. was also a conservative state...then the Feb. 17 Special Election (a House Rep. was Elected Gov.) came...a Liberal 'RAT was elected. I don't need to tell you, "don't take it for granted."...Ky. GOP is saomewhat shocked...b/c, we didn't do our homework/headwork...we took too much for granted. :/

47 posted on 05/19/2004 2:05:13 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Too much jooodisim goin' on out deah!

Ding, ding, ding.....We have a winner!!!!!

48 posted on 05/19/2004 2:10:24 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: El Gato


Man! Just look at Byrd! WETA wasted a lot of money bringing Gollum to life through CGI. They could have just gotten Byrd!

"The botoxed one hates Smeagol! He hits usssssss!"
49 posted on 05/19/2004 2:15:54 PM PDT by Rastus
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In the Mideast, terrorism is a separate problem to be defeated by diplomacy and negotiation, not militarily.

Fritz is true to liberal form here.

50 posted on 05/19/2004 2:17:33 PM PDT by jla
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To: Rastus

The 'rats in the hoods..


51 posted on 05/19/2004 2:17:50 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sticker
Isn't Socialist Democrat a redundancy?

Not at all. The term distinguishes them from the Marxist Democrats.

52 posted on 05/19/2004 2:23:19 PM PDT by SAJ (Buy 1 NGF05 8.00 call, Sell 3 NGF05 11.00 calls against, for $500 credit OB.)
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To: SAJ

OLD FRITZ must not be getting enough face time on the boob tube.


53 posted on 05/19/2004 2:27:11 PM PDT by jocko12
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To: All
Now I have heard it all. If this thread displays the true view of most Americans, then I am frightened for your future. In this post alone, I have heard 'Nuke them all', 'Enough of this small stuff', 'Serves them right for having a wedding in the morning'. I mean, come on, this is sick.

What you need to remember is that these are the people you are supposed to be helping, freeing, and liberating, not blowing away in the desert and making it sound as if it were justified.

And as for your president, it is SO obvious to the rest of the world that he had more than one ulterior motive for the War on Iraq. Oil....Israel's security....choose one. It doesn't matter. The fact remains that he did not go in there for WMD...that was just an excuse to go in. So obvious.

If it is not supposed to be funny, then why is it almost comical to the rest of the world that only Americans believe that the American president is doing the right thing, and even America is split on that debate?

5 billion people think you are wrong....doesn't that tell you something?

I am sure I will hear all of the reasons (excuses) now....
54 posted on 05/19/2004 2:30:32 PM PDT by Supafla
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To: Supafla

Oops! You got the wrong forum! Time for you to fly to DU now.


56 posted on 05/19/2004 2:37:35 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: AppyPappy

I allways thought they were snakes.O well I guess anyone can be wrong.


57 posted on 05/19/2004 2:53:13 PM PDT by Unicorn (Two many wimps around The democrats would rather win the WH then win the war-Tom Delay)
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To: Supafla

Preserved for posterity. It, not you.


58 posted on 05/19/2004 2:53:44 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Rastus

Did I miss something or else how did this become a Byrd thread?


59 posted on 05/19/2004 2:57:20 PM PDT by iconoclast
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To: iconoclast

Sorry, I just heard Kerry praising Byrd about the time I read this thread, and I made the "rascism from Democrats" connection. I'll stop so as not to hijack.


60 posted on 05/19/2004 3:01:28 PM PDT by Rastus
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