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To: Theodore R.
The claim by "cultural conservatives" that morals are somehow universal is, beyond being just plain wrong, an example of how they are actually cultural collectivists

Take for example, President Bush. He barbecues and eats pork on his ranch, an action seen as immoral by Jews and Muslims. His daughters drink alcohol with his apparent consent, an action seen as immoral by Baptists and Muslims. Also, when Jenna and Barbara visited wounded troops recently, they wore dresses that Muslims, Orthodox Jews, and even some Christians would find "immoral". Hell, even some of our more bluenosed freepers complained. I doubt any of the troops did, though.

Some moral values are consistent among cultures, such as not committing murder, theft, assault, or fraud. They can better be described as "ethics". "Moral" considerations involving eating, drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc. vary from culture to culture. In a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of those.

-Eric

39 posted on 05/19/2004 5:18:38 AM PDT by E Rocc (It takes a village to raise a child. The village is Washington. You are the child. - PJ O'Rourke)
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To: E Rocc; Poohbah; section9; Dog; Long Cut; Pukin Dog; Howlin; veronica; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; ...

Amen to that. This column is a far more eloquent explanation than I could ever come up with as to why the "cultural conservatives" need to be held in check just as much as Hillary Rodham Clinton and her crowd. I think I would rather deal with stuff like Howard Stern's radio show and Britney Spears frenching Madonna than see the America folks like Buchanan would create.

This column also proves that the paleoconservatives have gone over to the enemy.

Go, Pat, go... TO HELL.


68 posted on 05/19/2004 5:55:21 AM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: E Rocc
His daughters drink alcohol with his apparent consent, an action seen as immoral by Baptists and Muslims.

I always heard where 3 or 4 Baptists are gathered there's always a fifth.

77 posted on 05/19/2004 6:01:05 AM PDT by normy (Just cause you think you can box, doesn't mean you're ready to climb in the ring with Ali.)
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To: E Rocc
The claim by "cultural conservatives" that morals are somehow universal is, beyond being just plain wrong,...

Some moral values are consistent among cultures, such as not committing murder, theft, assault, or fraud. They can better be described as "ethics".

This looks like a contradiction to me. All you've done is called "morals," "ethics." In reality, there is no difference.

79 posted on 05/19/2004 6:04:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: E Rocc
Some moral values are consistent among cultures, such as not committing murder, theft, assault, or fraud. They can better be described as "ethics". "Moral" considerations involving eating, drinking, smoking, entertainment, attire, consensual sex, etc. vary from culture to culture. In a free nation, it's best for government to butt out of those.

I strongly disagree. Morality crosses cultural lines as well as national borders. There is Good and Evil and they have nothing to do with culture, customs, race, gender or anything like that. There are good and moral Muslims and immoral and bad Christians & Jews. We're in a war, not so much between cultures/countries as it is between Good and Evil, a spiritual war that starts off seeming like a secular war between competing cultures. America is fundamentally Good but needs to work hard on becoming more moral in order to win this war. This could be our longest and last war.

150 posted on 05/19/2004 7:07:21 AM PDT by Russ7
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To: E Rocc

Wrong.

"Morals" are defined by the Judaeo-Christian tradition, principally the 10 Commandments.

"Traditions" and "disciplines" involve eating, drinking and some conventions regarding dress, attitude, speaking, etc.

"Ethics" is the science of applying universal moral norms to practical situations.


168 posted on 05/19/2004 7:28:36 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: E Rocc
His daughters drink alcohol with his apparent consent

And you know this how?

Also, when Jenna and Barbara visited wounded troops recently, they wore dresses that Muslims, Orthodox Jews, and even some Christians would find "immoral".

BS.

294 posted on 05/19/2004 10:55:49 AM PDT by Howlin
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