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To: Ohioan
[A. Pole:]
Call me a paleo-conservative, or social conservative if you wish.
[Ohioan:]
You are being too generous. Conservatives should not modify the term, if they genuinely are Conservatives.

Maybe, I am too generous. There are four things which are uncompatible with Conservatism:

1. Free market/free trade fundamentalism. Worship of wealth.
2. Neo-wilsonian globalist post-Trotskyite interventionism, rejection of patriotism.
3. Secular hedonistic permisive libertinism. Godlessness.
4. Pseudo-messianic hubris, self-righteousness and lack of self-restraint.

364 posted on 05/19/2004 12:25:04 PM PDT by A. Pole (<SARCASM> The genocide of Albanians was stopped in its tracks before it began.</S>)
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To: A. Pole; Long Cut; Poohbah; veronica
Maybe, I am too generous. There are four things which are uncompatible with Conservatism:

1. Free market/free trade fundamentalism. Worship of wealth.

So, you will just have to make sure that those who succeed and produce in America pay their fair share, eh? Not to mention redistributing it so that those who you approve of get their cut.

2. Neo-wilsonian globalist post-Trotskyite interventionism, rejection of patriotism.

Where do YOU want to fight it out with al-Qaeda, Najaf, or New York? I personally prefer Najaf.

3. Secular hedonistic permisive libertinism. Godlessness.

As determined by you. Me, I think people are free to make their mistakes, but they had better be willing to accept the consequences for their actions.

4. Pseudo-messianic hubris, self-righteousness and lack of self-restraint.

You might want to discuss that with the various prudes who try to yank Howard Stern off the air because they are offended by his show. Last I checked, every radio came with a tuning dial and an OFF switch. Many come with tape players or CDs. Rather than self-righteously running to the FCC to yank Stern off the air, why not exercise some self-restraint and either change the station, turning off the radio, or putting on a CD or cassette tape of music you enjoy (or an audio book)?

393 posted on 05/19/2004 12:48:09 PM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: A. Pole
There are four things which are uncompatible with Conservatism:
1. Free market/free trade fundamentalism. Worship of wealth.

Capitalism is anti-American? Are you sure you didn't wander in from the DUmpster?

2. Neo-wilsonian globalist post-Trotskyite interventionism, rejection of patriotism.

We've got savages who insist on a fight. We can fight them there, or we can fight them here.
When and if the situation reverts to rational people with disagreements over resources, policy, etc, non-interventionism will make more sense.

3. Secular hedonistic permisive libertinism. Godlessness.

That falls outside the range of issues that can be addressed by politics.

4. Pseudo-messianic hubris, self-righteousness and lack of self-restraint.

I'm glad you agree that the government needs to be kept out of the realm of consensual personal conduct. All of it's pseudo-messianic, hubristic, self-righteous, and self-indulgent attempts to shape the New American Man have been dismal failures.

407 posted on 05/19/2004 12:58:44 PM PDT by steve-b
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