Buchanan Asks, "What Do We Offer the World?"

WND.com ^ | 05-19-04 | Buchanan, Patrick J.

[Junior_G]

Buchanan's point is a legitimate one to be considered. If American culture seems decadent to the extreme to some of us that live here, how must it seem to the bass-ackwards folks we're trying to sell it to? Insinuating that Buchanan is now a pro-terrorist anti-American indicates more of a personal resentment of Buchanan for ditching the republicans more than it is a reasoned response to the article.

[Poohbah]

Kyrie Eleison, Christe Eleison, Kyrie Eleison...

[A. Pole]

Great quote. Is this from his speech at Harvard?

The Gulag Archipelago (p. 168 or else depending on edition)

[Poohbah]

It is precisely because of the superior virtues of America (e.g. a rule of law that protects individual property and liberty) that is is economically prosperous. I can't believe that I have to explain this here, of all places.

You have to remember that you're talking to Marxist-Leninist-Buchananists, who are nationalist socialists.

To them, all property ultimately belongs to the State, and the State graciously allows private individuals to hold it in trust--as long as they only hire "real Americans."

[11th Earl of Mar]

Hey, ping me next time Buchanan actually proposes a solution to a problem, instead of simply griping about his likes and dislikes.

No wonder he got so few votes.

[steve-b]

This looks like a contradiction to me.

You need to work on your reading comprehension, then. The original post quite clearly separated out a set of "ethics" that is universal to all viable cultures (e.g. prohibitions on theft and assault) from a larger set of "morals", some of which are not universal (e.g. prohibitions on drinking alcohol).

[BlueLancer]

"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious.
But it cannot survive treason from within.
An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city.
But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.
For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.
He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.
A murderer is less to be feared.
The traitor is the plague."
Marcus Tillius Cicero

[BlueLancer]

"Marxist-Leninist-Buchananists"

Buchananistas?

[normy]

If I were a Christian living in Syria or Iran or in the old Afghanistan I would jump at the chance to worship God freely in America. I would jump at the opportunity for me and my family to choose if we wanted to drink or not, smoke or not, wear a beard or not, eat certain foods or not, have forced prayer or not, vote for a Christian President or not.

Just because some free people choose decadence wouldn't mean I would have to and just because someone was a Muslim wouldn't mean I would have to be one.

[A. Pole]

The ideas of truly great thinkers far outlast their creators. In a hundred and fifty years, nobody will remember Pat Buchanan at all.

Yes and no. Cato although he was not the most original or creative thinker, he is still remembered for his defence of the Roman Republic (as she was being transmogrified into the Empire).

(Read about at http://heraklia.fws1.com/contemporaries/cato)

[11th Earl of Mar]

Pat at it. "We should stand beside Islam on this"

Yeah, against Hollywood, Hillary [and let's not forget Israel]

[steve-b]

Buchanan's point is a legitimate one to be considered.

No, it isn't. Pat Buchanan, Noam Chomsky, and the rest of that crowd can wring their hands and urge us to ponder "why they hate us so". Rational people will ignore them and (in the short term) deter them from acting on that hatred or kill those who will not be deterred and then (in the long term) undermine the terrorist-spawning cultures that Pat loves so very much.

[general_re]

Unlike Pat, Cato had the virtue of not being completely wrong about one of his core arguments. Which he demonstrably is in this piece, when he wonders why the Imam is wrong to deny liberty to those he ostensibly protects and represents.

[af_vet_1981]

I used to joke about Pat Buchanan having professed Shahada. He just went out and frickin' did it! I guess his name's now Patrick Mohammed al-Buchanan...

He despises Israel and the G-d of Israel. It is only natural that he would make common cause with the Moslems.

[11th Earl of Mar]

We offer the world Pat Buchanan! Someone please take him. Hey, nobody likes prophets.

You mean "profit." As in running for President as a Reform Party candidate to get their federal matching funds.

[A. Pole]

No wonder he got so few votes.

He got "so few votes", because most of his sympatizers switched votes to Bush. Nader's supporters switched to Gore to a lesser degree. So Bush owes his victory to the Buchannites willing to give him a chance and to the Naderites being inflexible.

[billbears]

If I were a Christian living in Syria or Iran or in the old Afghanistan I would jump at the chance to worship God freely in America

If you were a Christian in Syria or Iran, you would be in the minority. And your life would constantly be in danger. And yes I imagine I would hope and pray for the same freedoms if I were in that situation. However the almost 1 billion Islamics surrounding you would not have the same feeling. They see what is prevalent here in this nation of states. And unfortunately, it's not Christianity. To force the Islamics into a mold, that hasn't worked yet, under the catchphrase of 'spreading democracy' is not 'freedom'

[af_vet_1981]

Insinuating that Buchanan is now a pro-terrorist anti-American indicates more of a personal resentment of Buchanan for ditching the republicans more than it is a reasoned response to the article.

I, for one, am profoundly grateful Buchanan left the Republican Party. He is only proTerrorist and antiAmerican if it gives him leverage to attack Israel. That is his agenda.

[11th Earl of Mar]

Anyone who professes to be a Christian that says we should stand with Islam is beyond human help.

I think what unites Buchanan and the Islamofacists might be a mutual distrust of a certain persecuted people from the middle east [and New York city].

[A. Pole]

If I were a Christian living in Syria or Iran or in the old Afghanistan I would jump at the chance to worship God freely in America.

Funny that you mention Syria. Syria is the main country in the Middle East (Iraq used to be second) where Christians are not second class citizens and where they can worship freely. Contrast it with our friends Saudi Arabia - the homeland of WTC bombers.

So it makes sense that the next country to be liberated and given to the Islamic rule is Syria.