"Exit question....Eleanor...Will Pat Buchannan visit Wolfowitz and Perle in their new homes in Costa Rica after November.......bye ,bye"
Posted on 05/19/2004 2:54:18 AM PDT by Theodore R.
I don't like Hollywood's Leftist idiots much. Neither do I like the political bent of such places as Massachussaetts or NYC, for that matter.
However, that is a FAR CRY from saying that I'd stand, for ONE SECOND, for the wholesale slaughter of the people that live in those places, as Buchanan and some posters here apparently want.
Those people, warts and all, are still AMERICANS, dammitt, and whether they know it or not, they, as well as US, are ALL terrorist targets in this war. While I do wish for their defeat politically, I most certainly DO NOT wish for them to die, along with many others, in some terrorist attack.
Those who died at the WTC, and in Washington and Pennsylvania, and overseas, probably counted some Liberals among their members. That DOES NOT make them somehow more worthy of slaughter in that manner than the "good" people involved.
It used to be, that whenever an AMERICAN was killed or abused, that we ALL came together to fight that evil, regardless of whatever political views they may have had. When one of us was attacked, it was understood that it was an attack on ALL of us. Apparently this aspect of the past is one which some find worth jettisoning.
If someone thinks that this country is SOOOOoooo "evil" that it deserved the slaughter of its citizens, that it is SOOOOoooo "morally corrupt" that it shouldn't stand against terror and tyranny, and that we must make ourselves into some facsimile of the Taliban before we can honorably oppose such brutal opression, then it is THEY who should, along with the Leftists who now are their soulmates, pack their bags and go fight for the side you believe in, because it isn't ours.
Watch the videos of the attacks again. Watch Danny Pearl being murdered. Watch Nick Berg being tortured to death. If the idea that some Americans enjoy sex and prefer to wear revealing clothing, or listen to music you don't personally care for, or otherwise excercise LIBERTY as they see fit still seems more "evil" than that, then by all means, LEAVE. Just go.
LIBERTY. There's that word again...not "freedom" but LIBERTY. THAT is what this country was founded on, what was the engine of its growth to a world power, and what saw us through our darkest days - the ability of every American to chart his or her own course, to make their own descisions, and to succeed or fail therefore. With it comes the so-called "decay" that some seem to think is worth standing with our enemies. Sorry, but as bad a singer as Britney Spears is, she is NOT "evil" by any stretch of sanity. She, like many other Americans, is simply living her life as she CHOOSES. Some here would obviously remove that choice, and thus that of all others, unless that choice comported with their own. That is tyrrany as sure as that of the terrorists.
Do we have some problems? Sure. But they will NOT be solved by pointing a figurative (or literal) gun at other Americans when it is ALL of us who are threatened. They will NOT be solved by some imposition of the moral views of ONE group, be they Right OR Left. How far gone are we when that even is considered at a time like this?
Don't like Britney? Fine, don't buy her albums. Rap? Ditto. Have some fear and loathing of sex? Feel free to abstain. Don't like Hollywood? Don't go to the movies. Just remember, though, that the LIBERTY of other Americans to do so is not only one of the multitude of things besides exposed midriffs that the enemy hates, but it is one of the things, again warts and all, that made us the great nation we are, and continue to be.
You take the good with the bad. If you like your freedom to worship God in your own way, then respect the freedom of others to do the same, or to NOT worship at all. If you like freedom of speech, then respect the fact that it sometimes means that speech will occur that you don't care for. THAT's what I was always taught about this country, and it USED to be the rule, rather than the exception. We as conservatives have always stood FOR these things, not their destruction in favor of some mythical "true path". That's what the ENEMY does, or have some forgotten?
Have they forgotten that when the terrs attack, they don't check voter registration cards or church membership? That they would gladly accept help from such "luminaries"as Buchanan whilst secretly planning his own demise as soon as practicable?
Culture war my foot! There's only some disagreement as to where we're going and how to get there. We've been down that path for 230 years, with no letup. The "end" has been handwrung about since Plymouth, and guess what? we've always pulled through. We've endured decadent times as well as virtuous times, and still come out swingin', TOGETHER. As Americans, with our ingrained rebellious spirit and half-mad ways somehow contributing to a great WHOLE which is more than the sum of its parts. We'll get through these times as well, but not if we tear at each other, or begin justifying our enemies' hatred of us in the way Patsy does here, in the SAME manner as the extreme Left does.
Change some of the nouns, and some of the resposes and the article itself could have been posted on DU.
So you might think abortion is wrong. Okay, but is it as wrong as honor killings? Homicide bombings? Brutal, total opression of the human spirit? And finally, is it not FIXABLE within the same system in which it was legalized? Or, based on that ONE issue that so many seem to think outweighs EVERYTHING good and decent about our nation, should we thus fall to tyranny and terror? For the disapproval of pornography, should our small towns be incinerated? Our churches destroyed, our population and all its accomplishments and ideals trampled into dust? That is what some here are arguing.
Well, I say THE HELL WITH THAT! We can fix our problems without either destroying the foundations of our country OR making common cause with the Islamists who wish us to ALL, saint or sinner, to die.
I'm getting a good idea of the Amerika that the patsies want here, and it is one I would oppose with all the fiber of my being, as it does nothing more than mirror the WORST sort of tyrrany, that of the human spirit, and seeks to lionize a myth, JUST LIKE THE TERRORISTS.
I'll take my country as is, with all its (fixable) faults, before ANY dictatorship of the kind being advocated by Pat and his pitchfork-waving marks. "Stand with Islam"? For what, exactly? The "freedom" to be enslaved by a theocratic dictatorship, bound forever to the religious interpretations of some old men with serious issues of hate? Or to be ruled over by some American version of a caliphate, slaving for the enrichment of potentates? That is exactly what Islam means to me.
Pat Buchanan, and his marks, have chosen their side. However, I'm sure that they won't be climbing onboard a boat to go to Afghanistan or Iraq to put their loathsome ideas into practice any time soon. That would take something that they DO NOT have in abundance. I think they know what it is...the same quality whose lack stops their brethren on the Left from doing the same.
Yeah, "Go Pat Go!" they shout, not realizing the true level of hucksterism they've fallen for in that treasonous bastard. Pat, all of whose political attempts have done NOTHING but feed his own ego and enable Leftist victories, and who proved that he'd lie down with the Devil himself in his self-aggrandizement. All this tripe is is more of the same. He is a DISGRACE to us, and to America. His opinions mirror Michael Moore's perfectly in their hatred of his own nation. His so-called "conservatism" is one which hates Liberty, instead of advancing its cause. It is one which questions even the fighting of the Second World War. It is one which would, in full ignorance of the modern world, attempt to build some impenetrable wall about America, as much to keep "undesirables" out as to imprison the spirit and vitality of its citizens.
He can keep it. And SHOVE IT!
Regrettably, I did not keep every one of PJB's columns so that I could quote them in their entirety. Thus, carefully edited "excerpts" are what are presented by FAIR's editor.
PJB recited facts. It is a FACT of history that segregation existed, and that it really wasn't a big deal until Thurgood Marshall made it one.
And that is saying a lot.
Was it really four years ago when we were having all the Buchanan wars on FR? Every day there was a new 800 post thread.
Seems like only yesterday. [/nostalgia]
Actually, ASB, the US is not going to "fix" Iraq, nor any other Islamic country, by imposing "democracy."
You are correct in your observation that crime exists in Islamic countries. On that we can agree.
Right, he wouldn't support her for National Chairwoman, only as his campaign head. I guess there's a glass ceiling for committed marxists in the Buchannan campaign. Who knows, maybe no cabinet postition for her, personal advisor only. BTW, most stories indicate she quit, he didn't fire her. He simply refused to support her for National Chair.
Maybe someone who turns his back on virtually all his rhetoric to gain the support of a Fuliana, or who advocates using the "good" ideas of David Duke in order to gain political support is your idea of a Christian Values candidate, he's not mine. He's a demagogue.
Of course there are also the memories of pat's campaign itself. Saturday Night live couldn't have faked a campaign as funny as his.
Ping
You are being too generous. Conservatives should not modify the term, if they genuinely are Conservatives. With the surge in popularity for Conservative identification under Ronald Reagan, a lot of pseudo-Conservatives began to call themselves "Conservative," but that did not make them such. While we should welcome their support on issues on an ad hoc basis, we should never let them redefine what Conservatism is all about--that is conserving the traditional value system of a people.
It is just plain silly to accord the "Conservative" label to folks who advocate radical Feminism as American foreign policy. Perle and Frum are not Conservatives any more than they are serious thinkers.
For a smile, see David Frum To Haiti Project.
William Flax
Given the disparate backgrounds of the people of the United States, it is clear that by your line of thinking, the United States should not exist. And yet it does.
341, excellent post.
Why, you are the one pretending to be a Talmudic scholar.
You must not know all the dietatry restrictions. What would mixing meat and dairy have to do with health?
The Hebrews were to seperate themselves from the rest, through their actions.
Study Talmud. All the reasons are given. "The dietary restricitons were put into place for health/sanitary reasons" is usually spouted by 1)People that do not know anything about Judaism, and 2)extrememly unobservant Jews.
Don't hold back tell us what you really think! (c8
"Exit question....Eleanor...Will Pat Buchannan visit Wolfowitz and Perle in their new homes in Costa Rica after November.......bye ,bye"
PERSONAL ATTACKS ON BUCHANAN
'When flak gets heavy you know you are on target.' [WW II bomber pilot]
NO REFUTING ARTICLE PAT SCORES ANOTHER DIRECT HIT
Maybe it wasn't a big deal for you because you sat in the front of the bus, got served first at the diner, used the clean restroom for designated for whites and drank water out of a non-polluted drinking fountain.
That line of yours must be the most asinine and racist thing I have ever read on FR. [Do you really think about what you post before you type?]
No wonder you don't think Buchanan is a racist- because you are the real deal!
Nice to know who you really are now.
I'll give them credit. While a lot of buchanan supporters started scratching their head and realizing how bat $hit crazy pat was, his hard core stuck with him like a buchanan family member grabbing their share of the 12 million dollars.
Who said we were going to "fix" them? I just said that the idea that Islam is a more moral culture than ours is nonsense.
You wish to ban abortion..Great..but what other laws would you make about movies, TV, morals, dress,lyrics, the internet, etc and religion?
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