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In Iraq, America's Shakeout Moment
NY Times ^ | May 18, 2004 | DAVID BROOKS

Posted on 05/18/2004 7:48:04 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Paul_B

What did Rall do? Since his disrespect for Pat Tillman I have no respect for Rall.


21 posted on 05/18/2004 8:35:36 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

The problem is, nobody has ever written an operations manual for freeing a country of 25 million people who have lived under a dictator for 35 years. Had there been one, I'm sure we wouldn't have made mistakes. However, I think we're actually doing quite well. Remember, Japan wasn't ready for it's new government until 4 years after we got there.


22 posted on 05/18/2004 8:45:49 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: gilliam
What was it that Clint Eastwood said in that movie where he played a Recon

It's from "Heartbreak Ridge" he said:. "They improvised ,they adapted, they overcame."

23 posted on 05/18/2004 8:57:20 PM PDT by Nateman (Socialism first, cancer second.)
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To: neverdem

entered the following in the search bar: +heartbreak +adapt


24 posted on 05/18/2004 8:59:32 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: gilliam

Thank you. I will try it myself.


25 posted on 05/18/2004 9:12:32 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: gilliam

Amazing!


26 posted on 05/18/2004 9:17:14 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

yep, just think how long you would of had to research that in a library without computers!


27 posted on 05/18/2004 9:19:49 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: McGavin999
The problem is, nobody has ever written an operations manual for freeing a country of 25 million people who have lived under a dictator for 35 years. Had there been one, I'm sure we wouldn't have made mistakes. However, I think we're actually doing quite well. Remember, Japan wasn't ready for it's new government until 4 years after we got there.

They may have written it, but rest assured if they did, it's a piece of crap. If you listen to NPR, you'll hear minor Clinton administration ex-functionaries or random liberal intellectuals talk about studies that were done on nation-building. Always, always, whining about George W. Bush not consulting them. I observe that W. and Rummy did it their own way. That's essential. If they had consulted all these weenies, it would have been disaster-by-committee.

28 posted on 05/18/2004 9:24:48 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: neverdem

I see little evidence of good will from leading Democrats, e.g. Kennedy and Kerry, but rather an overwhelming desire to see Bush lose rather than to see America win.


29 posted on 05/18/2004 9:25:15 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: jwalsh07
they would burst forth with intelligent suggestions

HAHAHA The NT Times editorial page ought to be renamed the "Comedy" section. Either that or put up a big graphic of Ricardo Montalban saying, "Welcome to Fantasy Island..."

30 posted on 05/18/2004 9:33:08 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: neverdem
Hope begets disappointment, and we are now in a moment of disappointment when it comes to Iraq. During these shakeout moments, the naysayers get to gloat while the rest of us despair, lacerate ourselves, second-guess those in charge and look at things anew. But this very process of self-criticism is the precondition for the second wind, the grubbier, less illusioned effort that often enough leads to some acceptable outcome.

Brilliant analogy. I know the stock market. When fear is at a maximum, buy. Now is the time to buy stock in the success of Iraq - it will rise from here.

31 posted on 05/18/2004 10:44:18 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: Gee Wally

Brooks' brilliance is that he lives in the NYTimes soup. He has to respond to it. But he turns it on its head so that the illogic of the NYTimes and their despair is exposed as needless pessimism.

Of *course* we make mistakes, get over-optimistic, lose our way... that is the way of any great and difficult enterprise.... Brooks is pounding into the Liberal Class the point you make.... we "muddled" mightily in WWII as well, did we not? our first engagement in North Africa was horrible. and you mention ...

"Can you imagine the carping after Bataan and Corregidor, after the fall of Wake Island, after losing the Lexington in the Coral Sea, after the heavy losses in Ironbottom Sound, after the sinking of the destroyer that claimed the lives of the 5 Sullivan brothers."

Yup!!! We've been through much worse.

" The character of this country has unquestionably changed for the worse." Nah, just the character of the media.


32 posted on 05/18/2004 10:49:31 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: neverdem

Somewhere, probably here, I came across a recent editorial by Rall, where he outlined how many conservatives had changed their minds on the war, how Bush was isolated, etc. It sounded persuasive, but here Brooks directly contradicts what Rall said about him. Rall had used a direct Brooks quote, so I can only conclude he took it out of context.


33 posted on 05/19/2004 3:33:50 AM PDT by Paul_B
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To: Paul_B

Thank you.


34 posted on 05/19/2004 8:56:07 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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