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To: Gelato; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
And that's why I call it the view of sexuality based on hedonism and self-gratification, but you and I both know that this understanding of human sexuality is not confined to same-sex couples.

Whole industries, both in the entertainment media and in the production of all kinds of contraceptive devices and pills and this and that--all based upon, what? All based upon the pursuit of this form of sexual fulfillment, to free oneself from the shadow of procreation, so that it will no longer haunt the relationship, no longer burden the relationship, no longer be there as something which calls one away from the vocation of self-gratification toward a vocation that requires responsibility and self-sacrifice.

Anyone noticing a theme emerging here?

(The Church has ALWAYS been right on contraception. Here is just another reason why.)

94 posted on 05/17/2004 8:15:15 PM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV
Anyone noticing a theme emerging here? (The Church has ALWAYS been right on contraception. Here is just another reason why.)

Exactly right.

Here's another quote from the speech along those lines:

The whole hedonistic understanding of human sexuality has infected the view that people have of who children are. You're going to have your children when you're ready for them, and then when you're ready, and they fit into your life, and they fit into your career, then when they're a fulfillment for you--I listen to all these actresses talk about this sometimes. That's entirely the way they talk about it. "Well, I reached that stage in my life when my needs would be fulfilled by a child."

That is the extension of the mentality of self-gratification to the business of the child--and what does that mean? It means that, in the end, that child has not come into this world for its own sake, for the sake of what it represents to the future and in the eyes of God. It has come into the world for the sake of that individual who saw it as a source of fulfillment, a source of gratification. In that sense, it comes into the world not as an end in itself, respected as human beings ought to be for the sake of their intrinsic dignity, but rather as a commodity meant to serve the convenience, and the pleasure, and the self-gratification of the one who has welcomed the child into the world.


104 posted on 05/17/2004 8:37:30 PM PDT by Gelato
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To: Polycarp IV

I very much agree. Dr. Keyes points are excellent!


120 posted on 05/17/2004 9:22:37 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: Polycarp IV; ThomasMore

Polycarp IV, thanks for the ping. Deacon, please read this post!


147 posted on 05/18/2004 7:29:55 AM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)
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