I love America, I respect the Republic, I believe in the Forefathers, I support the military, I honor marriage and God, and I believe that this thread deserve some FREEPING!
FYI: I am not a staunch supporter of same sex marriage. It doesn't make me feel good, any more than paying my mortgage makes me feel good. But I promised to pay the loan back, so I will. And I promised to fight for this Constitution, freedom of our citizens to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I consider all my antagonists on this thread to have a serious logical blemish with their concepts of freedom, and if I can cast some doubt here, so be it. Gelato is the only one yet, I believe, who has actually quoted something from the Constitution. Bravo! That's the start of an argument.
Your comments about Keyes' speech were specious, false, sloganeering and showed you either didn't read it or didn't have a clue about what he was saying. If you don't support same sex marriage, you sure have spent much verbiage attacking those of us who oppose it.
This is an example of your brilliant arguments, and I again assert that it is unintelligible gibberish:
OK. I assume that this is your definition of "legitimate", unless you are referring to something more institutional. Male and Female are phenotypes -- a requirement for physical reproduction; i.e. hardware. There's more to it these days. There's culture; i.e. software. I claim that the "American" spirit is more software based than "who" is actually practicing it. In this case, it isn't about a male and female parent raising children that is so significant, but rather about a masculine parent and a feminine parent raising a child that determines quality. You talk about "legitimate" as a tag that gets stamped on a child as though the label itself was significant. That is the basis of a caste system -- something that America is supposed to abhor. I'm more concerned with what the child actually becomes when they mature. Does she become a brilliant scientist, a military hero? Or does she become a drug addict, or criminal. Two masculine parents, or two feminine parents (regardless of their actual sex) tend to raise children far differently than by parents who specialize oppositely. I would take a bet that one day, we will find that a gay couple, where one is masculine and one is feminine, will statistically raise more successful children than a straight couple each sharing the same gender. Consider today what happens to children when both parents are working in the masculine corporate world (for the sheer sake of income). What do we know today about how children turn out when raised by a single parent (a highly skewed gender spectrum)?
42 posted on 05/17/2004 6:31:07 PM PDT by Mathlete
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Define freedom. And please keep it brief.