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Girls Just Wanna Have Fun
Chron Watch ^ | May 16, 2004 | Jack Engelhard

Posted on 05/17/2004 3:21:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Now that we've skipped over ''a chicken in every pot'' to ''an orgasm in every bed,'' maybe it's time to rethink this business of women in combat.

That smirking soldier-girl of ours, Pfc. Lynndie England, in all those Abu Ghraib ''prisoner abuse'' photos, well, that's another story--partly. The first part is that we've had enough of that wall-to-wall coverage of how BAD we are, when in fact 99.9 percent of our military is heroic, honorable, and decent. Also, we didn't bring this war to them, they brought it to us, and when it comes to abuse, brother, we're the amateurs at their profession.

But the second part is why I called this meeting to order. In my innocence, I always believed that men go off to war for the safety of their women back home. Sure, it's all for Duty, God, and Country, but it's still about protecting Mom, Sis, and Sally Next Door. There's also a pretty standard belief that guys should always be heroic and never be cowardly, and that there is no such thing as a cowardly woman.

Childbirth, by the way, is something no man could possibly endure. Raising a family is beyond the courage of most men.

Women are heroic for just being women. It's different with men. We've got to constantly prove ourselves. So, off we go into the wild blue yonder. That's one means to authenticate our worth. But what the hell are American women doing on, or near, the front lines? Things go wrong when you mix women with men-at-war. Sex happens.

Pfc. England, who's been reassigned from Abu Ghraib, is pregnant. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

If it's too politically incorrect to say that women belong in the kitchen, okay, girls, run a corporation, make yourselves doctors and lawyers, but stay out of our foxholes. That's why God Created Men. If you're out there with us in the same jeep, what have we got to protect? Who's taking care of the kids? What are we fighting for if there's nobody home?

Women do belong in the military, just as men belong in the kitchen…far away! Women excel in behind the front-lines valor, and that's where they belong.

Still at this moment, even after those books and movies, the ''heroism'' of Pfc. Jessica Lynch comes with an asterisk. Actually, when Lynch was returned to us, my first sigh was of relief, my second sigh was: What the hell was she doing there? Same goes for Pfc. England at that Iraqi prison camp. What the hell was she doing there?

Back in 1994, Bill Clinton decided that ''A Few Good Women'' weren't enough, so, heeding the feminist agenda, he flung open the doors of boot camp to what used to be called the fairer sex and issued executive orders allowing women to ''engage in all but direct battlefield combat.'' That's vague enough to put women in harm's way. Lynch was part of a supply unit when she was captured--and abused.

Let's not even try to imagine the abuse Lynch endured, or the tortures reserved for women who fall into the hands of our savage enemy.

Already one of those Iraqi mullahs has issued some kind of a fatwa, a demand that his followers seek out our girl soldiers for use as ''sex slaves.''

Women in battle fatigues--was this the deal when God Created Woman?

Apparently no fan of Clinton's ''gender quotas,'' or of a more ''sensitive'' military, is this particular woman, Elaine Donnelly, of the Committee for Military Readiness, a private organization that examines personnel issues in the armed forces. She says: ''Young mothers are being sent off--is this really the way we ought to be running our military?''

Who can argue with that cry of dismay, unless you're someone who believes that men and women are exactly the same, except that women have longer hair?

Most women who enlist never think it'll lead to war. Army Specialist Shoshana Jackson, another captive, wanted to be a cook, just as Lynch probably thought she'd be pushing papers in some safe preserve. Most women sign up for desk careers and seldom imagine themselves dodging bullets. It's only their feminist sisters, and leftist enablers, who insist that girls become G.I. Janes for the sake of ''gender equality.''

It's a terrible switch in our conditioning to imagine girls otherwise, as being trained to spit, cuss, burp, and shoulder a rifle with a company of grunts, as is being promoted by the feminist dogma that seeks to neuter the military and everybody else. Cyndi Lauper had it right: ''Girls Just Wanna Have Fun.'' I think that's how most guys think of girls, as the better side, the sweeter side, of our lives.

They are ours to love, honor, cherish, and protect, not the other way round.

If I do keep referring to women as girls, well excuse me, but that's how it was when girls were sweethearts. Novelist Irwin Shaw gave us the gift of a beautiful short story: ''The Girls in Their Summer Dresses.'' That wouldn't work as ''women'' in their summer dresses, and, how about that for a phrase that's worth a thousand pictures? Yes, girls!

Let's get it straight. War is hell. That's no place for a girl.


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To: fml
Let's not even try to imagine the abuse Lynch endured, or the tortures reserved for women who fall into the hands of our savage enemy.
21 posted on 05/17/2004 5:48:28 PM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element")
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To: TalBlack
You are right on. I have reports of women mechanics who can't lift their tool boxes (and they work on tracked vehicles to boot); the diminished PT exercise requirements/skills tests are proof enough on physical standards and those are just starters.

I talked to a young woman that wanted to be a combat medic. I asked her if she could drag, carry or remove my 6' 175# son off the battlefield if necessary and she said, "Oh, I'd get help". God help us. I told her that she had no business getting into something in which she couldn't perform up to standards just because she thought it would be "neat to do".

RB
22 posted on 05/17/2004 5:50:42 PM PDT by brushcop (Dad of an Army Infantryman and busy prayer life...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

23 posted on 05/17/2004 5:54:00 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Raising a family is beyond the courage of most men.

Well, thanks for falling into the femi-nazi, man-hating group. As a divorced father, I think you are way off base.

24 posted on 05/17/2004 5:54:57 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 40 goals this season...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I agree in part and disagree in part and just ain't sure about some parts.

But it is definately well written, interesting and inspires serious thought on the subject.


26 posted on 05/17/2004 6:02:02 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (If we are not alive on 2 Nov 04, our vote will go to the Democrats-stay healthy!!!!!!)
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To: An American In Dairyland
By that logic female cows, dogs, cats, ducks, elephants, and those of any species would be courageous by nature.

Men are logical, women are emotional. You just proved it.

27 posted on 05/17/2004 6:04:33 PM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: Ronin
DITTO!

Doc

28 posted on 05/17/2004 6:08:31 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: unixfox

"Men are logical, women are emotional."

Men are hairy, women are velvety.

Men are hard, women are soft.

Men are angular, women are curvy.

Men are........, women are beautiful.

Opposites attract-Viva le difference!!!!!!!!


29 posted on 05/17/2004 6:11:46 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (If we are not alive on 2 Nov 04, our vote will go to the Democrats-stay healthy!!!!!!)
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To: Ronin

...I find this article discordant, but I'm amused at the responses. What does sex, upppp, (PC) gender have to do with individual achievement? Those in the military, male or female, chose that profession, for reasons only they are entitled to. And some of them die. They've got guts, more than me, and some of you, and guts are enough...


30 posted on 05/17/2004 6:29:14 PM PDT by gargoyle
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I AGREE!

Imagine what will a female do when it is that "time of the month" as a P.O.W.? Better yet after being captured and raped, which is ROUTINE for those captured, that pregnancy will be a nightmare. Lack of showering ... and sheer physical inferiority makes it absurd to have females in combat positions. It defies logic and common sense.
31 posted on 05/17/2004 6:46:16 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: 68skylark

Are you familar with the story of Maj. Rhonda Cornum?


32 posted on 05/17/2004 6:51:45 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her genes.....any volunteers?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Raising a family is beyond the courage of most men.

That's blatant BS. I raised my four kids after their mother was "liberated" in the '70's, and I knew other guys who did as well. It's not courage, it's responsibility.

33 posted on 05/17/2004 7:01:07 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: TalBlack

I'm thankful for all who work for freedom in our military. I don't care if they are male or female -- they all have my respect and admiration.


34 posted on 05/17/2004 7:31:32 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: tiamat
I can't say I've been overseas in the military yet -- I haven't. (But I've volunteered and may be going soon.)

Like many, I have misgivings about women in the military. But I don't just have misgivings. I also have respect for people who serve the cause of freedom in a combat zone.

If parts of this thread start to seem like they are bashing or downplaying the service of anyone -- male or female -- well that rubs me the wrong way and I have to speak out.

35 posted on 05/17/2004 7:38:05 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: ken5050
Are you familar with the story of Maj. Rhonda Cornum?

A little. She's a tough soldier, and a real inspiration.

36 posted on 05/17/2004 7:43:57 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: 68skylark

Your service still counts, even if you have not gone overseas!

I have misgingving.. I don't truly think women ought to be on the front lines, but I have heard that we have many good female polits and gunners.

I worry about what will happen to Johnny's head if Sally in the fox-hole next to him gets wounded, especially if there is no evac available.... If Johnny is wired the way he ought to be an decent , he's going to be all prtective of Sally, and he isn't going to be paying suffucient attention to what the Bad Guys are doing outside and that will get more people killed.


THAT is what really worries me.


37 posted on 05/17/2004 7:50:05 PM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: gargoyle

Good comments.

Some of the comments on this thread sound like they come from what Rush Limbaugh calls "the two-inch crowd." I don't understand why they need to run down the service of female soldiers who are doing a good job.


38 posted on 05/17/2004 7:52:41 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I would like to be rude, and use this thread as an excuse to ask people to think about this same issue, but on a bigger scale. believe that we are subtly destroying our society and our culture with this stuff. We are doing this to ourselves, on purpose, because we mean to be doing good.

I would like to use the equalizer from Winamp, over on the right there, as a metaphor for a sort of social contract. We have a number of social factors, represented by sliders, which can be adjusted individually so as to produce a kind of advantage or benefit for men or for women as groups.

For example, one slider might represent "Is exempt from being sent off to foreign lands to be shot at." Historically this slider was set almost 100% in favor of women. Some went, but none were forced, and none could be forced...by law.

Another slider might be "Has ready access to corporate movers and shakers." In fact not many men qualified for this, but we could fairly say that until recently, this slider was set virtually the opposite of the other one, almost 100% in favor of men.

Another one might be "People actually give a damn if anything happens to you." This slider has historically, and continues to be, set nearly 100% in favor of women. This author is the perfect example, asking us to ponder the horrors inflicted on Pvt. Jessica Lynch, in the very week that a mere male had his throat slit and his head held aloft for the cameras. Yeah, he got his 10 minutes of fame, but like Daniel Pearl, he will be forgotten soon enough... while cute little Jessica will continue to be waved in our faces forever as a symbol of this or that.

So we have all these sliders, and collectively they represent a sort of social contract. "Men will do these things, women will do those things, men will have these advantages and women will have those advantages."

It is a truism that bad deals do not work. If the basic "deal" between men and women (which I have represented by these sliders) were not basically fair, our society would not have worked as well as it has. It is simply a fact that societies where people see their lot in life as a "bad deal" do not perform. See Cuba. See the Soviet Union. See most Arab countries.

Life is never fair, but when the deal really is stacked against people by force majeure, whether an elected government or a dictator, people stop performing. They know they're screwed, so the air goes out of them.

Starting about 30 years ago, we became the proud owners of something called a feminist movement. No one was sure what that was, but the noises it made said that it was in favor of "equality." Oh, OK, who could be against that?

Except that it wasn't about equality, it was about moving all the sliders in favor of women. Do grammar school girls lag in math and science? Well, then, let's spend a trillion dollars. Do boys lag about equally in reading and writing? Who cares. Let men start a masculist movement if they care about boys. Same thing with athletics, scholarships, right on down the line. Now we have no recess, no dodgeball, and college graduating classes that are 65% female. Put the "education" slider waaaaay over to the women's side, and thank you feminists for that.

Between the feminists and the chivalrous guys like Jack Engelhard here, we have messed now with pretty much all the sliders from education to corporate access to political access to health care to human males becoming disposable parents, and we end up with something like this:

This is a bad deal. Without even knowing who is on which side, we could safely predict that one side will not perform in this deal. It looks tremendously advantageous to one side, but it isn't. It's like a buyer who has cleverly made a contract to buy new automobiles for fifty cents each. It's a contract, and we might even see a judge say it's enforceable. But guess what? There won't be any cars delivered, judge or no judge. You can negotiate a deal that's so good, it's bad. The other side won't perform.

OK, now back to the thread. I sort of agree with this article. I'm in favor of what works. I look around the world, I don't see the conquering army from the land of women, and I attribute that to all the countries that tried women in their army getting their butts kicked. All the countries left after thousands of years don't do that. OK, I can take a hint.

Here's what we have to stop doing. We have to stop treating each of these sliders as individual items that we can screw with at whim. There is a balance to be maintained. Our society is not maintaining it. There weren't any masculists countering the feminists, and we've allowed virtually all the sliders to get pushed one way, some of them (like drugging boys and telling them they can't play games) to ridiculous extents.

Chivalry is nice. It's a pleasant fiction that makes life more enjoyable for all. But when the chivalrists are all pushing one way, and the feminists are all pushing one way, and nobody is pushing the other way, we screw things up. We create a bad deal. Then our society stops working. Birth rates fall. Marriage rates fall. The fundamental business of keeping the human race going — which is the deal between men and women — falls off the tracks. In case you haven't noticed, we have a train wreck in this area.

If you're in favor of pushing the "women in the miltary" slider back to zero, what slider are you willing to move the other way? It's time to start asking that question.


39 posted on 05/17/2004 8:27:27 PM PDT by Nick Danger (If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done.)
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To: An American In Dairyland

"Or weren't civilian women searched and guarded then?"

During Vietnam the times weren't as PC. Civilian women were searched by men if they needed to be searched. In WWII I doubt there was much need to search women. We were the liberators then. Civilians were our friends in that war. Wish they were our friends in this one as well. Would make me feel better about being there.


40 posted on 05/17/2004 8:27:42 PM PDT by monday
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