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Arctic Temperatures Warming Rapidly - Polar Explorer
Yahoo! News ^ | 5/17/04 | David Ljunggren - Reuters

Posted on 05/17/2004 11:54:12 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Dead Dog

Dealing with the big egos, it's probably what I need.


61 posted on 05/17/2004 12:53:32 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Parmy
About 15 years ago the National Science Foundation used up one of the available scientific billets on a north trip into the Artic for a "scientist" who wanted to determine whether Polar Bears live along the ice edge (where the feeding is easiest) or can be found across the ice cap.

So to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars, this beaker was able to finally determine something that they could have know by asking the Innuit.

What you say is 100% accurate. The competition amongst the "scientific" community for the free dollars is amazing.

62 posted on 05/17/2004 12:54:10 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
True, but they were not resupplied at all. They made the trip. That was my point, as you clarified, you can't do it all year round (no duh!).

I seem to recall that the later part of their journey was darker. Now I'm going to have to dig that thing out.

63 posted on 05/17/2004 12:54:32 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Invalid scientific arguments don't help in discussions of climate change.

Invalid scientific arguments seem to constitute the entire basis of current discussions of climate change.

64 posted on 05/17/2004 12:57:00 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Snuffington

Oh, yes. But like bigfoot, as soon as one thing is debunked they come back with more proof.


65 posted on 05/17/2004 12:57:30 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Cobra Scott

No need to dig it out...I understand what you're saying. My reference to resupply was towards the Polar Bear snack on skis.


66 posted on 05/17/2004 12:58:29 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

We used only the purest water. Or at least I did. I can't vouch for the other FReepers. :)


67 posted on 05/17/2004 1:00:29 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: CWOJackson
My BS meter is working just fine jackson my boyo.
You've demonstrated that quite well on this thread.

Say, you got any more stories about your days on the icebreakers, putting down the scientific crowd with your knowledge about ice?
We need more laughs on FR..
68 posted on 05/17/2004 1:00:33 PM PDT by tpaine (In their arrogance, a few infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the 'law' for all of us.)
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To: tpaine

Sorry tp...I would never be able to compete with you in the field of advanced BS pursuits; your dominance in the field is just too overwhelming.


69 posted on 05/17/2004 1:02:50 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: All

If I'm not mistaken, there a story almost exactly like this about the ice cap melting early last year or the year before, and didn't the NYT run it as a front page item? Then within a month there was another story that was explaining that the ice cap sometimes remains intact but mostly melts in the summer months and the author was an ex-Greenpeace "scientist." Is my recollection faulty or does anyone else recall this?


70 posted on 05/17/2004 1:03:54 PM PDT by Dad was my hero
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To: CWOJackson; leadpenny

All this talk of Chief's reminds me of my favorite joke:

The 5 Scariest Things You Can Hear in The Army:
1. A Private saying, "I learned this in basic training..."
2. A Sergeant saying, "Trust me, sir..."
3. A Second Lieutenant saying, "Based on my experience..."
4. A Captain saying, "I was just thinking..."
5. And a Warrant Officer chuckling, "Watch this $%!#..."


71 posted on 05/17/2004 1:04:34 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: spunkets

You beat me to that one. I may give up my subscription to National Geographic if they do one more story on someone like this.


72 posted on 05/17/2004 1:07:15 PM PDT by nomorelurker (wetraginhell)
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To: Gamecock
LOL!

Unfortunately for me I had a staff assignment for two years; fortunately I worked for an admiral that I actually admired.

One day he told me something very similar. It went something like:

The Seaman had a question.

The Petty Officer had an idea.

The Chief had a suggestion.

The Lieutenant had an opinion.

The Warrant had an attitude.

73 posted on 05/17/2004 1:09:00 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Gamecock

LOL! It's been a while since I have seen that one. As I remember, it was a WO Aviator in #5. That was me on my first tour in Nam. Second tour I had grown more cautious.


74 posted on 05/17/2004 1:11:46 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: CWOJackson

Post an instance of my slinging 'BS', hotshot. -- Your history here is full of it.


75 posted on 05/17/2004 1:12:18 PM PDT by tpaine (In their arrogance, a few infinitely shrewd imbeciles attempt to lay down the 'law' for all of us.)
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To: tpaine
Don't be bashful tp...your superiority in the field is legend.

Hey, some people just dismiss you as a sour old fool...I recognize your genius as something gained only through diligence.

76 posted on 05/17/2004 1:14:14 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Gamecock

A young Lieutenant was assigned as the General's Aide. Everytime the General was having a discussion with someone else the Aide would add his 2 cents. The General took him aside and explained that he should be seen and not heard unless he was asked to say something. The Aide, taking the 'dressing down' as a test by the General to see how aggressive he might be said, "Sir, I'm sure you didn't make General by always keeping your mouth shut!" The General said, "No, but that's how I made Captain!"


77 posted on 05/17/2004 1:20:52 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: CWOJackson

There is more year to year variation in sea ice patterns and amounts than there is long term. I once saw some wonderful maps which showed this I'll see if I can find them. Also, correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the ice circulate around the pole in a manner which can result in very rapid opening and closing of navigation routes?


78 posted on 05/17/2004 1:31:42 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: CWOJackson
"Where is the water going?"

Same place the "white" goes when the snow melts.

79 posted on 05/17/2004 1:35:31 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: belmont_mark

You are correct. I believe it takes the ice cap a year to rotate. Back in the late 70's the Coast Guard drove one of the old Wind Class Breakers into the ice cap quite a ways then flew out most of the crew. The station keeping crew and ever present beakers spent a year as it made it's slow circuit.


80 posted on 05/17/2004 1:36:10 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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