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Sarin-Filled Munitions in Iraq Worry U.S.
The Las Vegas Sun ^ | May 17, 2004 at 9:37:30 PDT | KATHERINE PFLEGER SHRADER

Posted on 05/17/2004 9:51:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Edited on 05/17/2004 9:55:03 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. officials said Monday they are concerned that other sarin-filled munitions may still exist in Iraq - and may not be well-marked - after evidence indicated a roadside shell that exploded contained the nerve agent.

No one was injured in the initial detonation Saturday, although U.S. soldiers who later transported the round did experience symptoms consistent with low-level nerve agent exposure, said a U.S. official speaking on the condition of anonymity.

In this case, it appears two components in the shell, which are designed to combine and create deadly sarin, did not mix upon detonation, the official said.

It was unclear whether those responsible for the attack knew it was a conventional or chemical round, the official said. The 155-mm shell did not have markings to indicate it contained a chemical agent, the official added.

U.S. officials believe, based on evidence, that the shell was an experimental munition produced before the 1991 Gulf War, called a "binary type," the official said.

Former President Saddam Hussein's government had declared binary sarin testing and production after the 1995 defection of Iraqi weapons chief Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majid, Saddam's son-in-law.

But Saddam's government never declared that any sarin or sarin-filled shells still remained.

For that reason, the U.S. government considers the discovery of the sarin shell as significant, the U.S. official said.

"What is of concern is that that there may be more of them out there," the official also said.

Since the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, a U.S. group of weapons inspectors, called the Iraq Survey Group, has been searching for weapons of mass destruction, finding only signs of programs - but no evidence - of actual weapons.

The existence of a sarin-filled munition thus could become the first indication that Saddam's regime had not destroyed all banned weapons.

The binary-type shell found Saturday holds chemicals in separate sections for security and storage reasons. The chemicals are then mixed after firing to produce sarin.

At a Baghdad press conference Monday, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the chief military spokesman in Iraq, said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb did not know that it contained the nerve agent. The dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device is very limited, he said.

Nerve gases inhibit key enzymes in the nervous system, blocking their transmission. In large enough doses, sarin causes convulsions, paralysis, loss of consciousness and potentially fatal respiratory failure. Small exposures can be treated with antidotes, if administered quickly.

An Iraqi 155-mm chemical shell can contain 2 to 5 liters of volume, which could hold a deadly concentration of sarin, if properly mixed and dispersed.

The concentration of sarin involved in Saturday's explosion wasn't clear.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; sarin; wmd; wmdwhatwmd
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1 posted on 05/17/2004 9:51:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: oceanview

This is a start.


2 posted on 05/17/2004 9:55:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; Dog; Cap Huff; Boot Hill; Dog Gone; SierraWasp; TomGuy

fyi


3 posted on 05/17/2004 9:56:42 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

With so little real information out on this, one could spin it hard in either direction. What does raise my curiousity some is something I read on the long thread on this subject, that it seems the WH thought the info was still classified and were surprised that Gen Kimmett announced it. Maybe just crossed signals, or maybe something much more.


4 posted on 05/17/2004 10:03:16 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

the US and the coalition better be concerned ... if those terrorists ever figure out how to use a WMD we are in trouble


5 posted on 05/17/2004 10:03:34 AM PDT by cohokie
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

6 posted on 05/17/2004 10:05:27 AM PDT by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John F’in al-Qerry)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You should see the mass denial goin' on over at DU right now...


7 posted on 05/17/2004 10:10:35 AM PDT by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

CNN/MSNBC spin : "Controversy brews over US-planted sarin agents."


8 posted on 05/17/2004 10:12:11 AM PDT by BSunday (Liberty lost is never regained - John Adams)
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To: BSunday

I'm not near a tv...is that true?


9 posted on 05/17/2004 10:15:18 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

No, it's not. Just making fun of CNN/PMSNBC


10 posted on 05/17/2004 10:17:04 AM PDT by BSunday (Liberty lost is never regained - John Adams)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Amazing how the tides change. We went in expecting the Republican Guard to use WMD against our troops as a concern of ours.

Why should our finding what we were looking for be a surprise or major concern now? Seems like, or we should be going back to plan A.


11 posted on 05/17/2004 10:17:23 AM PDT by swheats
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Sad that you had to ask if it was true


12 posted on 05/17/2004 10:40:41 AM PDT by Republican Red ("I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it,")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You know, I've often thought about how much things would be different if Sadman had used WMDs against our forces. The deadly residue floating around on the desert winds would have made life there unbearable for quite a while. I only hope we find these weapons before they can be used against us. Only a lib nitwit would think they aren't buried in that vast desert.


13 posted on 05/17/2004 10:58:11 AM PDT by BillyCrockett
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"What is of concern is that that there may be more of them out there," the official also said.

Of even more concern is that there may be more of them over here.

14 posted on 05/17/2004 10:58:31 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I have been saying it was gonna happen - guerrillas with WMDs, because we were wasting TIME, playing kinder gentler compassionate Nam type warfare. React NOW with massive force. Tomahawk Damascus and Tehran for supplying the guerrillas.

Get Israel to go after Syria, we take Iran.
Mobilize the USA. Draft, close the border, the whole nine yards, MARTIAL LAW.

Unlike what Condi Rice says, doing nothing is exactly what will embolden the enemy.

They have used WMDs against US! Mr. President React or get out of the way.

We are being tested by the enemy and the whole world is watching.

Speak to the American People, mobilize US like WW2. Martial Law, Draft and for Gods Sake Close the Stinking Border!

This is not about winning the WMD debate in the political arena anymore, it is about winning the War on terror, in the field of battle. If the President doesn't make Iran and Syria suffer for this, it will continue unabated. Now our troops are going to have to suit up and still be restricted by Nam rules of engagement and Nam strategy while the enemy runs around with a tee shirt and body armor and WMDs against US.

Use the weapons we have or they will be used against US.

Time is not on our side.
THE ENEMY IS STALLING FOR TIME TO GET MORE POWERFUL WEAPONS AND TACTICS.
Give Sadr 12 hours to surrender himself and all his troops or the "Holy shiite whole" will be leveled. If the Shiite don't like it, they can root him out. Either way, the Shiite can have Sadr or the holy shrine, not both. 12 hours, decision up to them, result up to us.

Mr. President you have been given a nice fat easy pitch right over the plate, take advantage of it or strike out.
15 posted on 05/17/2004 11:49:25 AM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: TomasUSMC
Mobilize the USA. Draft, close the border, the whole nine yards, MARTIAL LAW.

Whoa, there ace. You might want to rethink the martial law aspect of this.

16 posted on 05/17/2004 11:56:34 AM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: TomasUSMC
Before we nuke anything perhaps you should read this:

Iraqi General Urges Support of U.S. Troops (this is in Fallujah!!!)

17 posted on 05/17/2004 11:56:36 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Cap Huff
With so little real information out on this, one could spin it hard in either direction. What does raise my curiousity some is something I read on the long thread on this subject, that it seems the WH thought the info was still classified and were surprised that Gen Kimmett announced it. Maybe just crossed signals, or maybe something much more.

Naw, it's Bush's fault. I don't know how quite yet, but I'm sure the Clymer News Network, Dan Blather, and the high school dropout over at ABC are conspiring on figuring out a way to blame Bush somehow. We all know EVERYTHING is Bush's fault. I woke up with a neck cramp, that's Bush's fault somehow too .

18 posted on 05/17/2004 12:04:29 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY

Mustard gas too. I really hate mustard, particularly that french grey poop on stuff. His fault too.


19 posted on 05/17/2004 12:11:24 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Republican Red
Sad that you had to ask if it was true

What?

20 posted on 05/17/2004 1:59:13 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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