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King Kong Kim Jong II
Dead or alive?
Posted on 05/16/2004 10:46:05 AM PDT by per loin
TOKYO -- Japan's Kyodo News, citing numerous diplomatic sources in Vienna, reported Saturday that the force of April 22's train explosion at the North's Ryonchon Station was about that of an earthquake measuring 3.6 on the Richter scale, which would have required about 800 tons of TNT -- about eight times that officially announced by North Korea.
The sources referred to earthquake figures gotten by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization.
The North's official Korean Central News Agency had previously reported that the destructive power of the blast was that of 100 tons of dynamite, and explained that the accident was caused by "the electrical contact caused by carelessness during the shunting of wagons loaded with ammonium nitrate fertilizer and tank wagons".
The CTBTO feels that the cause of the explosion may differ from the North's explanation, and noted the explosion might have been caused by highly-explosive materials like military-use fuel going off. Officials at the CTBTO plan to look into the causes of the accident.
The CTBTO said the explosion at Ryongchon was observed using seismological observation stations in Korea, Japan, the United States and Russia. The stations were built to detect nuclear tests.
In Japan' case, seismological observation stations in Nagano, Oita and Okinawa picked up the Ryongchon blast.
The CTBTO collected data from various observation posts, analyzed the data at its International Data Center and estimated the size of the blast. About a week after the explosion, it provided the data to CTBT member states.
The CTBT, written in 1996, has to be ratified by all its signatories for it to be effective, but 44 nuclear and potentially-nuclear states like the United States, China, Pakistan, India and North Korea have put off ratifying the document, which is now on the verge of collapse.
All nuclear reactions produces radioactivity.
Do you have anything recent in Japanese on the explosion, and the agenda on the coming visit by Koizumi to Pyongyang in a week or so.
all your GPS guided metal rods are belong to us..
LMAO
I just love when bad things happen to bad people.
This is so large the NK explanation has to be bogus. Ammonium nitrate, even when mixed with fuel oil, is a relatively low explosive. The massive Texas City explosion only occurred after a ship loaded with it had been burning for a number of hours, nothing like the relatively mild collision and electrical spark conditions which allegedly caused this explosion. Rail cars are strung out in a line, meaning it would be somewhat difficult to get an explosion accidentally to propagate itself along an entire train.>
Here are some pictures http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/ryongchon-imagery.htm
Moab is ~10 tons HE. Railroad car= at least that much, or more. much more. if an entire train blew up, ie. 50-100 cars...one would think the blast would somehwat bigger than the mighty MOAB.
27 posted on 04/25/2004 1:23:12 AM CDT by fourdeuce82d
Good call.
popular science has an article on something like that this month - a rail gun firing a hypersonic projectile from a naval vessel, no explosive needed, the velocity on impact obliterates the target. but it won't be available until 1015, the article said.
but who would know if a drone firing a hellfire was the "catalyst" for this explosion, rather then the train accident?
btt
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King Kong Kim Jong II
Dead or alive?
hAVE WONDERED THE SAME THING MYSELF.
A long time if they can find a double.
Hmmmmm........there may be some possibilities HERE
Accurate within about 25 feet, they would strike at speeds upwards of 12,000 feet per second, enough to destroy even hardened bunkers several stories underground.
I lifted this from a military strategy discussion forum:
RE:Rods From God 4/4/2004 12:02:05 AM
Eh I'm bored at this hour..so I'll give ya a couple of reasons right off the bat. 1) KE. Depends on velocity and PE, PE being turned into KE from the height of its orbit to target, the angle the rod comes back into the atmosphere and what lateral velocity has it been given? Problems start occuring here, say you have a 1 ton mass (we'll get to actual materials problems in a sec) by the time it hits say a terminal velocity of say mach 30, your mass will give an impact equivalent of 5 tons of nominal TNT. For this, how much money have you spent lofting the payload into orbit, quite possibly several million bucks.
2) KE and materials engineering again. After a certain amount of depth into the ground you get major ground shear forces acting to rip apart any rod so that it doesnt stay intact. This basically kills any KE capability of the rod to penetrate very deep because it tends to break in two or more pieces after penetrating a certain depth. I believe the current testing has put it around 20-30 meters? Don't quote me on that though as I could be majorly overstating the actual depth achieved.
3)Thermodynamics. You got a major problem here too. Reentry velocity induced atmospheric friction will turn to fluid even tungsten, and DU is naturally pyrophoric which means you'll start losing structural soundness because it keeps burning off layers or having it turn to a plasma like state.
which brings us to point number 4)
Namely anything re-entering atmosphere from orbitals has a plasma sheathe form around it (its around the space shuttle and ballistic missiles as well). Nothing really gets through this sheathe, so the only way to transmit data is by finding the lowest temp area of the projectile and using a trasmitter there, and hopefully that will help with guidance, because if not then you got serious re-entry problems regarding atmospheric densities and wind currents which can major your projectile miss by hundreds of meters or even kilometers.
I think that covers some of the problems :)
Jerry Pournelle actually was one of the ones that first came up with the idea. In theory it sounds great. In practice not so great unless you're already on a spot like the Moon and dont really give a hoot about super precision
World Tribune reporting two week that Kim Jong may have been injuried OR Dead
Even if KJI survived, he might want to play dead for awhile to draw out political rivals. Political rivals on the other hand could be expected to be cautious. Very cat and mouse or a game of chicken - eventually KJI has to come out to avoid instability while rivals need to outmaneuver each other.
Push to test.
Release to detonate...
Was there funny item that Kim JOng was surfing IRC chatroom
I hear that long time ago it was post on FR some Freeper was spying on Kim Jong talk with Dubya and Cheney IRC Chatroom that pretty funny
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