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Klebolds Say They Don't Need Forgiveness {COLUMBINE MURDERS}
FoxNews ^ | May 16, 2004 | AP

Posted on 05/16/2004 8:12:03 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

Edited on 05/17/2004 5:55:48 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: jimbo123

Hmmmm...my view of the parents are shifting.


41 posted on 05/16/2004 9:53:27 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: Lizavetta
There is not a public or private school in the world wehere bullying does not take place.

These parents owe no one an apology.

42 posted on 05/16/2004 9:55:53 AM PDT by sakic
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To: Spirited

It's peculiar that the NY Times is not doing op-eds with the father of the black kid that Klebold called a n****r before they shot him in the face. Another pathetic hypocritical liberal whitewash by the NY Crimes.


43 posted on 05/16/2004 9:57:09 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
Oprah, or other 'experts' are the excuse for not disciplining, I think. So many of today's parents are abdicating their responsibilities in the name of experts, psychologists, 'they're gonna do it anyway', 'I want them to be able to come to me' and other BS. Instead of being honest and saying 'I don't want to be bothered' or 'It's too hard' they say 'Well, Dr. Schmuck says you shouldn't spank or suppress the little darlings'.

They're taking the easy road now by letting her go but as I always say you either pay your dues early - by consistent discipline - and enjoy the fruits of that when they're teens and taller than you, OR you PAY DEARLY later when they're surly, disrespectful young adults and you no longer have control.

I have a feeling you're not going to like your granddaughter much when she's 13.

44 posted on 05/16/2004 9:59:58 AM PDT by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: sakic
There is not a public or private school in the world where bullying does not take place.

Only because it's allowed. Replace 'public or private school' with 'workplace' and see how ridiculous it sounds. This doesn't commonly happen in adult environments because the result would be job loss and/or lawyers and financial penalties. If the schools were really serious about bullying they'd get rid of the problem children but they're not, nor are the school districts or the parents of the bullies.

You and I wouldn't shrug and say 'well, that's the way it is' if our co-workers bullied us but it's accepted among children as uncontrollable.

45 posted on 05/16/2004 10:22:15 AM PDT by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: grellis

Amen to that, grellis. I totally agree.

The Klebold boy had *way* too much privacy to be able to hide so much of what he was doing.

I'm sure I don't know every single thing my children do or say, but there isn't much that gets by my husband and me. Besides, most of our kids share a room with a sibling, so they'd have to get it by them too. :)


46 posted on 05/16/2004 11:30:19 AM PDT by BizzeeMom ("We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love" Bl. Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Taquito
I'm getting a bit tired of the flurry of apologies

I'm sick of the press playing "confessor" and demanding that non-responsible proxies manufacture meaningless apologies.
47 posted on 05/16/2004 12:17:59 PM PDT by anonymous_user (Telling the truth means you never have to change your story.)
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To: Lizavetta
Let me see, somehow I managed to survive being bullied in high school, yet was an athlete and a pot head too. Meanwhile, I spent my teen years living in a broken home.

I have yet to kill anyone, or even come close to homicidal rage.
48 posted on 05/16/2004 12:20:39 PM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: stylin_geek
I have not said nor implied their reasons for killing people.

I'm only saying that it's a tragedy when people knowingly put their children in situations where they're abused, and that the adults would not for one moment put up with it if it happened to them, the adults.

49 posted on 05/16/2004 1:39:53 PM PDT by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: Lizavetta
Why do parents day after day year after year voluntarily keep their children in schools that don't stop bullying?

Except it was Dylan and Eric doing the bullying. They felt themselves above the jocks. They wanted everyone to die, not just a certain group. They'd already been turned in for crossing the line of mere bullying to physical confrontations and threats of other kids.

50 posted on 05/16/2004 1:44:16 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Helms

Man, he is so freaking ugly.


51 posted on 05/16/2004 1:48:32 PM PDT by Hildy (...Love like you've never been hurt and live like it's heaven on Earth. - Mark Twain)
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To: Lizavetta
It was so ludicrous and at the same time shows so clearly how teachers' hands are tied.

Who tied the teachers' hand? It was those same parents who think their little angels do no wrong.

52 posted on 05/16/2004 1:48:35 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: BunnySlippers
Movies can influence their children to "look cool" and blot out what the parents have taught.

Oh, puleez! Granted the day a kid turns into a teenage their parents suddenly are seen as drooling vegetables who aren't worthy of the time of day, however there's nothing to stop those same parents from looking in the kid's room and take action if they find an arsenal and pipe bombs.

53 posted on 05/16/2004 1:55:31 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn

I agree completely. You have one set of parents who want the teachers to do more, and another set who will sue if the teachers do more. The teachers are in a no-win situation.


54 posted on 05/16/2004 1:56:28 PM PDT by Lizavetta (Savage is right - extreme liberalism is a mental disorder.)
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To: cyborg
They don't need forgiveness since they didn't do the crime. I agree.

I don't agree they didn't do a crime. I agree they don't need forgiveness because I would never forgive them for their lack of parenting causing the deaths of all those children. Eric and Dylan were still minors and as such their parents are responsible for any and everything they did. Who bought their black coats? Who bought the guns? Who bought the pipe bombs? It doesn't matter if the parents wrapped a pipe bomb up in pretty ribbons for them but they did furnish the money, the time, the lack of supervison, and the lack of responsiblity.

55 posted on 05/16/2004 2:02:19 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: mtbopfuyn

I changed my mind since learning a few facts about the parents...very skeptical to say the least of their 'parenting skills'.


56 posted on 05/16/2004 2:03:44 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Hildy

His is the pornography of the known lie mass marketed to social dupes conditioned by the liberal culture.


57 posted on 05/16/2004 2:06:57 PM PDT by Helms (Jesse Jackson has been unsuccessfully successful)
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To: Lizavetta

Great minds think alike.

I was bullied all through elem school. It never happened in adult life. I went on to be a cop..LOL.

It even started happening in my son's christian school this year...so I'm YANKING him...to a different school next year. They haven't got a clue and could care less.


58 posted on 05/16/2004 2:40:02 PM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

My thoughts exactly.

The parents claim they didn't know, but it's a kind of not-knowing that I call "willful ignorance". They chose not to "know". Things were going gravely wrong and they looked the other way..... (kept feeding money to it, though.)




59 posted on 05/16/2004 3:02:10 PM PDT by BizzeeMom ("We cannot do great things. We can only do small things with great love" Bl. Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: wallcrawlr

In society today nothing is expected of children. They are rewarded for all kinds of behavior by parents who really don't want to be bothered with disciplining them. Parents would rather spend their time at work making money to buy them things rather than spend time with them teaching them the correct way to act in society. What is totally frustrating to me with regards to this story is how Mr. and Mrs. Klebold seem so incredibly clueless as to their responsibility. Do I believe they should be prosecuted for these murders, no. But they need to accept responsibility for neglect. Any parent who does not realize that their children are building bombs, collecting guns, etc. in their own homes are nothing short of ignorant and negligent. Apparently the Klebolds expected nothing productive from their son, therefore he was left to do what he wanted.
Sad state of parenting in our nation.

"Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." Proverbs 22:15


60 posted on 05/16/2004 3:05:22 PM PDT by GODFEARINGWOMAN
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