You've obviously decided that even "core values" are "peripheral", as long as your checks keep rolling in.
The debate has been shaping up as Western society's age-old prohibitions on homosexuality, versus fairness to people whose condition has morphed in the public eye from sin, to illness, to lifestyle choice, to nearly-immutable personality characteristic. Disagree with the transformation, if you wish, but find a way of dealing with others seeing it this way.
Is that how you see a dishonest contest, waged by secret polemicists in "journalism", by closet fifth-columnists and cabalists, and by gutless, self-hating Western liberals traduced in darkness of mind? Are you really -- can anyone really be -- that incredibly complacent? That wilfully phlegmatic? You're unbelievable. Do you care about anything?
"Yes, the gays have a political agenda. These days, who doesn't?" Translation: So what? That's what the French said to one another, during the "Phony War", the "Sitzkrieg", of 1940. Blow the wax out of your ears and listen to yourself, and while you're at it, blow your nose so you can smell the moral rot in your position.
There may be ways of making the mushy middle see most all gay and lesbian people as promiscuous, disease-ridden, benefit-grubbing, deceiving child molesters, but you'd better hurry, and be quite effective at it, because by 2005 it will probably be way too late.
I think we both know whose side you're on now. You're telling me that there is absolutely no way you're going to change your mind -- hell, you sound like a Loggie. "Mushy middle"? You're it. See you around, liberal.
And you sound like a grade-school kid...lacking the ability to articulate, you insult and demean.
What's the difference between your demeanor, and that of a liberal pray tell?
Not quite sure what a "Loggie" is, that one wouldn't Google up properly. Again, the use of completely obscure words and references to make a point.
Any homosexuals happening to read this thread would probably hope that all who are against gay marriage are just like you - full of intolerance for anyone who questions your assumptions, brandishing eloquent-sounding words and little known philosophers in order to make an attempt at dazzling the other party with your intimidating brilliance. If you treat a fellow poster on a conservative forum like this, you have very little chance of winning over someone who is currently on the fence about gay marriage.