Posted on 05/14/2004 3:22:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
As Massachusetts prepares to begin marrying same-sex couples Monday, opponents are viewing legalization of gay marriage as a setback on the scale of the US Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, and they see a similar long fight ahead in their efforts to overturn the court decision that is leading to a new social era.
As many opponents of gay marriage see it, same-sex unions will make homosexuality more acceptable and fracture family values. On a practical, political level, the reality of gay marriage will make the opponents' battle for a state constitutional amendment to ban it more difficult than ever.
''I don't know whether this ranks as high as the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision," said Ronald A. Crews, former president of the Massachusetts Family Institute, who has helped lead the fight against gay marriage here for several years and who also strongly opposes abortion. "If it's not equal to, then it is second only to that."
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"Seems like a perfect constituency to bring on board"??? Only if we want to continue with the destruction of traditional family, marriage, and morality. The GOP is unconservative enough. This "Big Tent" crap is nothing but crap. Why not get rid of the right to life plank and attract the feminist abortion lovers? Why not advocate socialism straight up and attract the communists and socialists? Might as well give up any pretense at a two party system.
Your comments only make sense if you see moral equivalency between normal marital relations between a husband and wife, and two men or women practicing sodomy together. You must be either seriously ill-informed about the pathology of homosexual behavior, or a moral relativist who thinks morality evolves as time passes.
Homosexuals have perfect liberty to remain monogamous any time they like.
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Two arguments here.
1. Every single monotheist religion (and many that aren't such as Buddhism, Taoism, and others including Sihkism, Jainism, etc) throughout history has always considered same sex acts to be against nature, and marriage to be man+woman. So this has absolutely nothing to do with sectarianism. It just so happens that this country was founded by and settled by primarily Christians, with a fair number of Jews, so the term Judeo-Christian morality; and since the Christian morality is based on Judeic scripture and tradition there really is no difference in the basics.
So you're opposed to any morality based on any religion?
2. Since it appears that you oppose any morality based on religion, what do you propose to substitute for moral absolutes? By rejecting the moral absolutes that are almost identical in every single religious scripture, you open the doors to a dog-eat-dog system of "morality" which leads to anarchy, and then totalitarianism.
By leaving aside all moral absolutes, give me a good reason why consensual cannibalism should be a crime.
P.S. If you want non-religion based arguments about why homosexuality should not be normalized (and shoved down everyones' throats) read EdReform's links to the Index of articles about homosexuality. If you haven't studied up, then your support of homosexuality is based on the grossest ignorance.
Um, no. That is not the purpose of marriage, either civil or religious. The purpose of marriage, in law, nature and tradition is to provide a stable relationship for the purposes of procreating and rearing children.
The benefits and protections the law offers to married persons are to reduce the burdens and encourage child rearing.
Homosexual marriage cannot exist by definition because they cannot procreate. And don't give me any carp about existing gay families, every child in them was created by hetersexual means and are in gay families by malfeasance of the bio parents and/or the state agencies that placed them there.
Marriage is a procreative institution by nature, tradition and law. Judicial activism to redefine it may change the law and traditional culture, but it will not change nature.
There will be ugly, unintended consequences for future generations as a result of this judicial tyranny and stupid social engineering.
More like 2%.
Excellent arguments, very enlightening. These are some of the best non-religious points of view I have heard.
I still don't think we should stop people from having a legal union, but at least you make a lot of sense.
agreed.
Yeah, what kind of drugs are you using?
It's all about the benefits and only about the benefits. Expect your health insurance to go up dramatically.
No one stops anyone from entering into legal contracts of various types now to form any number of business, personal and social relationships.
I will admit that there are a few special relationships than cannot be acheived by other legal contracts (coercion of spousal testimony is one), but in the main, many of the benefits of marriage are easily achieved by other means.
The monetary cost to business by extending spousal benefits to same sex couples will spell the end of group insurance provided by employers. I predict that will be the first, most obvious unintended consequence of gay marriage. This will produce a clamour for universal health care and this will flush our form of government down the socialist drain like a pressure assisted toilet.
People who think this is all about fairness and singing Kumbayah will hate the monstor government this will spawn 25 years hence, but they will be completely unable to put their finger on what triggered the disaster.
Article 8 Alliance – Massachusetts – **Email update**
Statewide movement to remove the SJC 4 and take back our government.
Same-sex marriage in Massachusetts CAN be stopped.
(Feel free to pass this along to others)
In this email update:
1. Momentum gaining in House for bill of address !
2. Where things stand right now with the bill of address.
3. Romney administration celebrates “gay youth pride” day this Saturday with parade & gay youth prom!
4. What WE’RE going to do for Monday, when homosexual “marriages” begin.
NEWS ITEM: Judge won’t stop same-sex marriage. [WorldNetDaily] Yesterday’s Federal court challenge to stop – or at least delay – the illegal ruling forcing homosexual “marriage” on Massachusetts and America was thrown out by another judge who is blind to reality.
When will we ever learn? The judiciary is the problem, not the solution. As our founding fathers observed, you cannot appeal to a tyrant to stop behaving like a tyrant. (In case we forget, that’s why they had a revolution. And that’s why John Adams wrote Article 8 into the Declaration of Rights of the Massachusetts Constitution.)
=== 1. Momentum gaining in House for bill of address ! ===
A few more reps have moved into the “committed” column. And others who we thought were against us are now on the fence, and could vote our way.
Your continued communication with them is of utmost importance. These elected officials who hold our future in their hands need to hear from their constituents and from people all over America.
We’ve said over and over that this can go through the Massachusetts legislature and be approved by the governor. The underlying support is there. The only thing holding it back is the intimidation by the special interests (you know who they are) and their own disgraceful lack of principle in a time of crisis.
=== 2. Where things stand right now with the bill of address. ===
Nobody wants to talk, particularly the “pro-family” reps. Under condition of anonymity, however, the pieces of the puzzle start to come together. We’re told that:
We were right – the energy to subvert this is coming from the pro-marriage reps, not the pro-gay reps. They are in fact as cowardly as we suspected, and, with a few decent exceptions, simply don’t want to have to stand up publicly and be counted. They don’t want the Boston Globe and the homosexual lobby to be mad at them again. (Read: They need to fear their own constituents more.) Also, the Speaker does not appear to be manipulating this. It’s others in his leadership team.
The fact is that it started as a resolution (which would not need to go through any committees) then suddenly became changed to a bill. As a bill, its path through the legislature is:
1. The Joint House/Senate Rules Committee
2. The Joint House/Senate Judiciary Committee
3. A vote of the full House
4. A vote of the Senate
5. (Finally) Approval by the Governor and council.
So the task right now is to get it through the rules committee.
Interestingly, the feeling is that we can pull this off, if we continue to let them know that we won’t take no for an answer. As homosexual marriage appears to become a reality, many of them are becoming pretty spooked. (And we are, too! ) The prediction is that in a short time our “fringe” position of removing judges will become very, very mainstream – IF we do our job.
We were also told that the rules committee can take as little as a week, or it can be indefinite, depending on us. Off the record, we were told that if we force the issue we will prevail, but if we don’t we won’t. It’s as simple as that.
So, here’s the rules committee. These people need to be told IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that the bill of address (bill number 4944) needs to go through by next Friday. To be blunt, we demand control of our government back. Period.
Your future is in their hands. (Note: Asterisk signifies they have already agreed to support the bill of address. The rest need to hear from you.) Feel free to report back to us on any progress.
Name
Ofc Phone
Ofc Fax
Home City
Home Phone
Rep
Robert Correia
617-722-2810
617-722-2197
Fall River
508-673-4097
Rep
Elizabeth Poirier
617-722-2976
617-626-0108
North Attleboro
508-695-3296
Rep
Angelo Scaccia **
617-722-2692
617-722-2846
Readville
617-364-0819
Rep
Bruce J. Ayers
617-722-2120
Quincy
617-472-9877
Rep
Vincent P. Ciampa
617-722-2430
Somerville
617-628-3123
Rep
Paul K. Frost
617-722-2489
617-722-2390
Auburn
508-832-2840
Rep
James Miceli **
617-722-2692
617-722-2846
Wilmington
978-658-9797
Rep
Edward Connolly **
617-722-2692
617-722-2846
Everett
617-387-2236
Rep
John Binienda, Sr
617-722-2090
617-722-2848
East Worcester
508-753-5962
Rep
Eric Turkington
617-722-2210
617-722-2239
Falmouth
508-540-2228
Rep
Salvatore F. DiMasi
617-722-2600
617-722-2313
Boston
617-523-8998
Rep
Lida E. Harkins
617-722-2300
617-722-2750
Needham
781-449-2347
Rep
Shaun P. Kelly
617-722-2263
617-722-2837
Dalton
413-684-5133
Rep
Thomas P. Kennedy
617-722-2012
617-722-2922
Brockton
508-586-8123
Rep
Theodore Speliotis
617-722-2380
Danvers
978-777-3138
Sen
Stephen Brewer
617-722-1540
617-722-1078
Barre
978-355-4505
Sen
Brian Lees
617-722-1291
(617) 722-1014
East Longmeadow
413-525-3472
Sen
Joan M. Menard
617-722-1114
617-722-1498
Somerset
508-673-8408
Sen
Mark Montigny
617-722-1440
(617) 722-1068
New Bedford
508-999-5108
Sen
Therese Murray
617-722-1481
(617) 722-1072
Plymouth
508-746-6301
Sen
Richard Tisei
617-722-1206
(617) 722-1063
Wakefield
781-246-3660
=== 3. Romney administration celebrates “gay youth pride”
day this Saturday with parade & gay youth prom! ===
As the rest of us brace for the onslaught of homosexual “marriage”, our governor and his administration are spending the weekend – and your tax money – caving in to the homosexual activists who want to “reach” your children in the pubic schools.
This Saturday, May 15, the Governor’s Commission on Gay & Lesbian Youth (no, we are not kidding – this is an actual arm of the Romney administration started by Weld and Cellucci) is holding a day of debauchery in downtown Boston.
Governor Romney (as he did last year) has signed a proclamation designating Saturday, May 15 as “Gay and Lesbian Youth Pride” day. We have a copy of last year’s document, but his staff refused to give us a copy of this year’s proclamation. They said that gay groups sponsoring the event could get copies, but not ordinary citizens. We were told by his staff that if we wanted a copy, we could file a freedom of information request! Had enough? Try it yourself. You can call his office of external relations at 617-725-4005 and ask for David Rosenblatt.
As their poster (seen in public schools across the state) describes, the “festivities” include speeches, a parade, and a fair in Copley Square starting at 10:30 am. The homosexual youth activities go on all day.
But that’s not the worst of it. On Saturday evening, Boston Mayor Menino collaborates with the Romney Administration and a degenerate homosexual group named “Bagly” which targets troubled kids and attempts to persuade them that they are actually homosexual. Bagly is allowed to bring kids from across the state to a “gay prom” held in Boston City Hall. They have done this over the past several years, and we’ve been told by city employees that they find used condoms and other sexual paraphernalia throughout the building for weeks afterwards. (Note that they admit 25-year-olds along with kids to this event.)
Just a taste of what’s to come, unless we act now!
=== 4. What WE’RE going to do for Monday, when homosexual “marriages” begin. ===
The world wants to know what our public reaction to the anticipated events this Monday will be. We’ve been contacted by everyone from National Public Radio to Newsweek asking what we’re doing that day, and what our statement to the nation will be.
On that day, YOU will have a chance to be involved in telling the world that the people are not giving up, even though our public officials have caved in. That we are not intimidated nor are we afraid.
We’re looking at Sunday afternoon and/or Monday for something big. We’ll let you know tomorrow.
(The official tally – still being tallied up, but stay tuned.)
AS WE’VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG – IT’S UP TO THE PEOPLE NOW! THIS CAN AND WILL BE WON.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FORWARD THIS TO LIKE-MINDED FRIENDS !!
"As the rest of us brace for the onslaught of homosexual “marriage”....
That quote describes the way I feel. I don't know if I have the stomach to watch TV next week and listen to the lies and spin. I still have nightmares about the vitriol spewed by Rosie O'Donnell while standing on the courthouse steps in San Francisco.
The health of society depends on the health of the family. As the family goes, so goes society.
Is that too complicated?
You almost answered your own question. Why do all societies recognize marriage between one man and one woman (and sometimes polygamy, which is a minority position)? Because it's natural. It is of the natural order. People intuitively understand that marriage between one man and one woman is the best way to raise children and is the proper context within which men and women should unite sexually.
What other institution could be proposed for the raising of children? The question itself is absurd.
Oh yeah, and the religious "usurpation" is actually the "supernaturalizing" of a natural institution. Catholics believe that sacramental marriage provides special graces, the graces that help move husband and wife to order each other to their proper final end, eternal life with God, and graces to help them prepare their children for the same end.
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