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To: Choose Ye This Day
Another problem is LACK OF MORALS -- certainly on Pfc. England's part.

Well if "SHE" has a lack of morals, then "certainly" all the MEN she was reportedly having sex with, or who took photos of her having sex, ALSO have a lack of morals. It takes TWO to tango, remember?

The rest of this is just a general rant about this thread, not directed at you personally:

Don't you think the reason SHE was shown mocking the naked Iraqi prisoners is because our MALES knew how humiliating it would be to Iraqi males to be mocked by a woman, considering the Iraqis think their own women are fourth-class citizens. Do you really think SHE said "Here, take my picture while I mock these naked prisoners"? Isn't it more likely that our MALES said to her, "YOU go stand there and point at them"?? Which would be more humiliating for we American males, to have a Man mock our private parts, or to have a Woman mock our private parts? I don't know ANY Man that would prefer to have a Woman mocking him, let alone an Iraqi Man who thinks Women are sub-human! And THAT is why they HAD HER do so much of the posing -- to HUMILIATE the prisoners. Not because she is any more or less lacking in morals than those who took the photos!

And all this talk of "why were women allowed to guard a male prison"... as if that's the cause of this whole scandal, WOMEN ?? Hello? Didn't any of you see how many MEN were involved in the prison scandal?? Why were THEY allowed to guard at the prison?? This isn't about the GENDER of the guards, it's about the CHARACTER of the guards, and/or their leadership.

65 posted on 05/14/2004 6:43:28 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Nick Berg died because there are EVIL terrorists in the world, and for no other reason.)
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To: BagCamAddict

Well said.


66 posted on 05/14/2004 6:46:47 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Of course they were Kerry's medals.....they were on both sides of the fence !)
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To: BagCamAddict
And all this talk of "why were women allowed to guard a male prison"... as if that's the cause of this whole scandal, WOMEN ?? Hello? Didn't any of you see how many MEN were involved in the prison scandal?? Why were THEY allowed to guard at the prison?? This isn't about the GENDER of the guards, it's about the CHARACTER of the guards, and/or their leadership.

Well put. To make this about women in the military is just twisting the facts to fit their pet issue. This group of people were depraved and corrupt. This is not the normal response normal males OR females would have. This freaky situation does not in any way reflect the others serving honorably.

71 posted on 05/14/2004 7:12:13 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (I am HairOfTheDog and I approved this message.)
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To: BagCamAddict; Hildy

ANYONE involved--male, female, enlisted, officer, animal, vegetable, mineral--in abusing or humiliating these prisoners and violating the Geneva standards should, must, be punished. I have NEVER suggested any differently.

So far, I have only SEEN evidence of Ms. England's depravity, so that is all I have commented on. The men involved are JUST as depraved and JUST as culpable; but I haven't seen evidence yet, so I simply haven't commented. It just drives me nuts hearing Ms. England blame her deviance on her superiors, so I feel compelled to speak out against it.


146 posted on 05/14/2004 3:10:24 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("He never talked vague, idealistic gas. When He said, 'Be perfect,' He meant it." -- C.S. Lewis)
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To: BagCamAddict

"Didn't any of you see how many MEN were involved in the prison scandal?? Why were THEY allowed to guard at the prison?? "

Some of them, with histories of violence, shouldn't have been guarding prisioners. Female MPs shouldn't be guarding male detainees/prisoners -- period.

No matter the depravity of the men involved, the scandal would not have the same character were it not for the involvement of the female participant(s). Who should not have been placed in that position. For the good of all. If the scandal had happened without any female MPs, it should have been prosecuted. Yet common sense informs us that female MPs should not be involved with male prisioners . . .


149 posted on 05/14/2004 4:05:16 PM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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