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Harsh C.I.A. Methods Cited in Top Qaeda Interrogations
New York Slimes ^ | May 13, 2004 | JAMES RISEN, DAVID JOHNSTON and NEIL A. LEWIS

Posted on 05/12/2004 10:48:18 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: DoctorMichael
Whatever happened to the revelations surrounding the Swiftboat press conference and the taped comments of Kerry's 'Comrades-in-arms' dissing him?

It is pretty obvious to me. With this Iraqi prison story they can water down Kerry's Viet Nam history, by suggesting that the military mentality promotes and creates this kind of atmosphere.
21 posted on 05/13/2004 6:04:29 AM PDT by Toespi (,)
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To: Kaslin
The Central Intelligence Agency has used coercive interrogation methods against a select group of high-level leaders and operatives of Al Qaeda that have produced growing concerns inside the agency about abuses, according to current and former counterterrorism officials.

Notice the technique in the above. "Methods" produced "growing concerns." This makes the "method" responsible for the "concern". It sidesteps the fact that the "concern" is a reaction by a particular person or group of people, based on their own beliefs about how things ought to be done, to actions performed by others. It begs the question of whether their assumptions are reasonable or the policy recommendations that flow from them are prudent. High-level leaders and operatives of Al Qaeda are not grandmothers being probed by ten-year-olds bent on finding out where Grannie hid the sugar cookies.

An interrogation with people like this isn't a prime time Baba Wawa chat fest or an Opra Winfrey emotional high colonic done for the dual purpose of driving up ratings and satisfying the prurient interest of the viewers. The purpose is to use the best means possible to produce reliable information that will enable you to foil the plans of those whose goal in life is the destruction of your nation and civilization. The goal is three-fold: 1. to get them to believe that there is no way out but through you, that their verifiable response is the key to that door, and that feeding you lies will keep that door locked forever. 2. to control them and their environment in such a way as to produce the mental state in which the beliefs in 1 can be planted and then grown to fruition as rapidly as possible, and 3. to do 1 and 2 as quickly as possible in order to uncover and nullify the plans of Al Qaeda (and other Islamofascists).

This is not something that can be done through rational debate based on mutual respect--they don't want to debate you; they want to kill you.
22 posted on 05/13/2004 6:06:14 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Kaslin
"counterterrorism officials have complained about the Bush administration's failure to have an "endgame" for these detainees. One official said they could also be imprisoned indefinitely at a new long-term prison being built at Guantánamo.

I think not. This should read..."Whining liberal reporters have complained..."

The idiocy, bias, and ignorance in this article is stunning.

23 posted on 05/13/2004 6:22:07 AM PDT by toolbreaker (Another patriotic conservative)
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To: TomB

Your input on this?


24 posted on 05/13/2004 7:05:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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