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Former U.S. Army interrogator Joel Krasnosky, who now directs the Human Intelligence Collectors course, monitors mock interrogations Wednesday, May 12, 2004, at Fort Huachuca, Ariz. James A. Marks, commander of Fort Huachuca and the Army's Intelligence Center, the nation's training ground for Army interrogators, said Wednesday that the abuse of Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib prison deviates from the central lessons taught here. (AP Photo/Matt York)

Former U.S. Army interrogator Joel Krasnosky, who now directs the Human Intelligence Collectors course, monitors mock interrogations Wednesday, May 12, 2004, at Fort Huachuca, Ariz. James A. Marks, commander of Fort Huachuca and the Army's Intelligence Center, the nation's training ground for Army interrogators, said Wednesday that the abuse of Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib prison deviates from the central lessons taught here. (AP Photo/Matt York)


1 posted on 05/12/2004 7:56:54 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
They set up the parameters for the softening up of the terrorists...then left it up to the
prison commander as to how to implement..
They needed the photos to intimidate the Iraqis they knew had intel they needed..
Once the photos surfaced stateside...they quickly backpedaled and then dumped
the responsibility on the little people...
And now are trying to white wash their own involvement...

Too bad because what they were doing was working...and saving American lives...and though
we might be too squeamish to applaud their methods...They Worked...

And they aren't allowed to beat these evil sons of beeches as they deserve...so humiliation
and the muslim mindset must be used against them...

Its a shame to see the authors and officers and politicians run for cover...use their 'get out of jail free cards'...and dump it all on the kids..the enlisted personnel...

While they will allow the military and civilians to ruin the lives of a bunch of country kids..who got caught up in something...no one should have to be involved in...dirty but necessary...

Imagine some poor country girl having to work under such conditions..naked Iraqi terrorists..throwing their waste at the guards...all over their cells...doing gross sexual acts to further humiliate the guards...and so the guards fight back as they were told to...

Who is going to stand up to their commanding officers or the alphabet agents...most of these kids probably admired..or hoped to someday be like..and emulated..

And given a few atta boys atta girls and some pats on the backs...and telling them how much they are helping the war effort..and then telling them how what they did to a particular terrorist broke him and he spilled the beans on a huge cache of weapons...or a terrorist cell they busted ..saving dozens of our GIs by the crappy things they did to these monsters...

It was crazy it was heady....it was sanctioned...and now they are left holding the bag...while even Rummy and GW call them dirty names...and threaten to screw up the rest of their lives

And the truth is these kids did save lives...only the only thing their countrymen will ever call them are filthy names....and tell them they shoulda stood up to their commanders and the dod agents and told them "no way" or threatened to go to the press....

Yeah right...

Stick to the infantry preferably the Airborne...and when any spooks come in offering you all kinds of fun travel and adventure...run don't walk to the nearest exit.....

Unless your name is Patsy...cause if it is...you were made for this job....

imo
2 posted on 05/12/2004 8:35:35 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: NormsRevenge; snopercod; joanie-f; Ragtime Cowgirl
Recommended reading ---

 

The Interrogator: The Story of Hans Joachim Scharff, Master Interrogator of the Luftwaffe

Description at amazon.com ---

This is the story of Hanns Scharff the master interrogator of the Luftwaffe who questioned captured American fighter pilots of the USAAF Eighth and Ninth Air Forces in World War II.

This Intelligence Officer gained the reputation as the man who could magically get all the answers he needed from the prisoners of war. In most cases the POWs being interrogated never realized that their words, small talk or otherwise, were important pieces of the mosaic Hanns Scharff was constructing for the benefit of Germany's war effort.

In the words of one erstwhile POW; "What did Scharff get from me? Nothing, yet there is no doubt he got something. If you talked about the weather or anything else he no doubt got some information or confirmation from it. His technique was psychic, not physical." Another POW commented, "Hanns Scharff could probably get a confession of infidelity from a Nun!"

They are right. To this day ex-POWs fret and worry over what they said or even might have implied during their interrogations, and over what use Scharff may have made of their slip-ups.

This book delves into the question: What was this magic spell or formula used by Scharff which made prisoners drop their guard and converse with him even though they are conditioned to remain silent?

The tortures and savagery of the North Koreans and North Vietnamese caused prisoners to resist to the death.

Hanns Scharff's methods broke down barriers so effectively that the USAF invited him to speak about his methods to military audiences in the United States after World War II.

Raymond Toliver is also the author (with Trevor Constable) of Fighter Aces of the Luftwaffe (available from Schiffer Publishing Ltd.)., over 150 b/w photographs, 6" x 9"

One of the reviewers' comments at amazon.com ---

Having researched the history of the post that was formerly Dulag Luft as it is known --- "Auswerstelle West" as it should have been referred to after 1941 --- I found this book to be extremely helpful.

As children, we always think of torture when it came to interrogations --- the common TV perception.

It was refreshing to find that the techniques used were not that much different than those employed by today's law enforcement --- no, not the TV cops with the physical abuse.

I grew up on the post, later a US Army post, and the rumors were rampant.

I also find it refreshing to see that the author, Raymond Toliver, a true historian, who has a passion for the subject, addressed the issues of how prisoners were treated by the Allies after the war.

This book is a must read for anyone who is serious about researching how allied pilots were treated.

It would also serve those who are serving today to see the trickery-craft used by the interrogors.

It was also amazing to learn the types of intelligence collected and how it was collated.

 

3 posted on 05/12/2004 8:49:51 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: NormsRevenge
This is just like NASA. When things go wrong, blame the contractors.
5 posted on 05/13/2004 3:33:47 AM PDT by snopercod (I used to be disgusted. Then I became amused. Now I'm disgusted again.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The CIA did not have a trained corps of interrogators until the war on terror began ... "

Before 911 anyone know who should have insured the CIA had a trained corps of interrogators? Did we conclude we were seeing things blow up because of excess swamp gas emissions.

Didn't this al-Quada goon bin Laden declare war or something like that?

Missed signals, easy to spot.

6 posted on 05/13/2004 3:39:49 AM PDT by snooker
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