[monday]

"Brigadier General Karpinksi out ranked Colonel Pappas. Furthermore, Karpinski had oversight for all prisons."

True, but since the abuses came from this particular prison, which was under command of Colonel Pappas, wouldn't you expect him to be more aware of what was actually occurring in THIS prison than Karpinski, who had oversight for all prisons? Since Pappas was Military intelligence and Karpinski was military police, Papas was not even directly responsible to Karpinski.

Taguba admitted that this situation was against Army doctrine but still blamed Karpinski for the situation. This does not make logical sense. How can you blame Karpinski when she was not physically there and the commander of the prison was not under her direct command?

[Darlin']

You'll need to ask someone with more knowledge of the military than I have to be sure. However, I kinda think Pappas would have been under Karpinski command even though they had different areas of responsibility. Karpinski was, indeed, at Abu Ghruib (sp) some of the time and so far the photos we have seen were of her MPs and a female guest none were of MI soldiers. The lapses in policy and the lack of discipline at that facility were due to her negligence.

[beckett]

From the officila "ARTICLE 15-6 INVESTIGATION OF THE 800th MILITARY POLICE BRIGADE"

13. (U) I find that there is sufficient credible information to warrant an Inquiry UP Procedure 15, AR 381-10, US Army Intelligence Activities, be conducted to determine the extent of culpability of MI personnel, assigned to the 205th MI Brigade and the Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center (JIDC) at Abu Ghraib (BCCF). Specifically, I suspect that COL Thomas M. Pappas, LTC Steve L. Jordan, Mr. Steven Stephanowicz, and Mr. John Israel were either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses at Abu Ghraib (BCCF) and strongly recommend immediate disciplinary action as described in the preceding paragraphs as well as the initiation of a Procedure 15 Inquiry to determine the full extent of their culpability.

Pappas is not getting off.

[beckett]

I think you would benefit by reading the report I cited. I don't have a link to it, but I downloaded it from CNN some days ago.

One of the misconceptions about the case seems to be that no officers have been reprimanded. But the report shows that all officers in the chain of command of the 372nd MP company have been reprimanded, from the company commander right up to BG Karpinski.

The MI (military intelligence) guys may be handled slightly differently due to the sensitivity of their duties, but they are not escaping investigation.

[highlandbreeze]

Because, as per a variety of articles, Gen. Karpinski knew there were problems. Imparticularly, lack of training and she did nothing.