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It is you, not the American public, who has a "lot to learn." You must be out of your mind to suggest that Donald Rumsfeld would ever support what these troops did.

These photos were taken by incredibly undisciplined, foolish and sadistic American MPs, grinning like bozos while they committed gross and abusive acts in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions to which the United States is a signatory.

I cannot recall any period in the last six years that has me made me more disappointed in Free Republic than seeing the excuses that some on this forum have offered for these disgusting, UN-AMERICAN and inexcusable acts.

Open your eyes! America's enemies have been handed a powerful propaganda tool that they will use for decades!

The MPs of the 800th Military Police brigade have disgraced their country, written a deplorable new chapter in the PERMANENT history of the United States, set back the effort in Iraq (putting troops on the ground there at greater risk), encouraged our enemies foreign and domestic, distracted the nation from the real threats in the War on Terror, bear some portion of responsibility for the beheading of Nick Berg, and have given John Kerry a campaign issue that could very well get George Bush thrown out of the White House in November.

They deserve nothing but CONDEMNATION.

"These photos were taken by incredibly undisciplined, foolish and sadistic American MPs, grinning like bozos while they committed gross and abusive acts in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions to which the United States is a signatory. "

You contradict yourself. In your posts #14 and #15 you say that all of their commanders are guilty. If all of their commanders are given reprimands how can you only blame the "sadistic American MP's"?

I don't know what happened so I will wait for the final report even though I know that it may not reveal everything. I just question Tagubas motives. He has a real motive to limit the extent of responsibility and cover up the responsibility of those higher up the chain of command.

The efforts of Taguba to lay all this at the feet of Karpinski seems very suspect. I admit I am beginning to believe her claims that she is being made a scapegoat given the fact that military intelligence was given command of one of her prisons against Army doctrine.

Perhaps military intelligence is responsible for this after all? That is certainly what it is going to look like to outsiders, particularly Arabs.

I truly hope to God that if I or any member of my family ever have to go to battle, we never have anyone with your attitude by our side. Your cavalier PC attitude is as, if not more dangerous than the enemy and I pray for any man that turns his back to you.

"The MPs of the 800th Military Police brigade have disgraced their country, written a deplorable new chapter in the PERMANENT history of the United States, set back the effort in Iraq (putting troops on the ground there at greater risk), encouraged our enemies foreign and domestic, distracted the nation from the real threats in the War on Terror, bear some portion of responsibility for the beheading of Nick Berg, and have given John Kerry a campaign issue that could very well get George Bush thrown out of the White House in November.
They deserve nothing but CONDEMNATION."

This ACTIVE DUTY Sailor agrees with this statement 100%.

MY military is NO PLACE for sexual deviants who disobey orders, flout the Geneva Conventions, and pi$$ on the UCMJ, all so they can get their twisted rocks off.

And I have NO TOLERANCE for their so-called "officers" who apparently liked their comfy desks and offices too much to be bothered to figure out what their yahoo troops were up to.

The Berg killing has enraged me beyond all words' ability to speak, but I WILL NOT defend or tolerate animalistic, sick behavior in OUR OWN because of it. We set ouselves above the rest because we are duty-bound, honorable, and dignified. The MP's were NONE of the above, and the American People deserve the absolute BEST in us at all times, which the overwhelming majority try daily to give.

Without doubt, the most fury and hate towards these bastards is coming from WITHIN the military.

Valin, if you would rather have a soldier watching your back who gets off on torturing defenseless people for fun, disobeys direct orders and conventions of his country, and refuses to follow the UCMJ than an honest, honorable and decent Soldier, then I truly pity you.

We in the service DO NOT excuse them...we court martial them, send them to Leavenworth for decades, and boot them in disgrace.