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To: Michael.SF.
Is that the best they have, a notation in an appointment book? Not exactly a smoking gun.

It's called "evidence". Most evidence for something falls short of a "smoking gun". The idea that one always needs a "smoking gun" to prove something, is at best misleading, at worst a total red herring.

If I see you walking down the street in the opposite direction from the grocery store with a grocery bag from that grocery store in your hands, it's an entirely reasonable inference to say "you just went shopping". However, there's still no "smoking gun" (maybe it's just a coincidence? you brought the bag from home to the gym, it has your swimsuit and towel in it, and the gym just happens to be on the same street as the store? etc). But I don't care that there's no "smoking gun", I'm going to draw the most reasonable conclusion, that's how humans work, you see.

In this case, what we have is (1) Czech intelligence saying that Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague, with corroboration, and (2) absolutely NO contradictory information whatsoever. Seriously, the FBI has issued a lot of pseudeo-denials ("we can't confirm it") but NOTHING which actually contradicts Prague's claim. The most reasonable inference to draw therefore is that Atta indeed met with Iraqi intelligence, unless/until we get information to the contrary. The most reasonable inference to draw from that, given that Atta was the 9/11 ringleader and was a nobody outside of his 9/11 plans, is that the meeting had something to do with 9/11 (what were they discussing? soccer? recipes?). Again, this is the most reasonable thing to conclude from this fact-set, unless/until some contradictory inference surfaces.

It's not a "smoking gun", but there rarely is such a thing, particularly in intelligence about secret things. If we waited for "smoking guns" before drawing conclusions about anything, we'd be paralyzed.

There's no "smoking gun" that Michael Jackson is a pedophile, does that mean you'd allow him to babysit your children?

7 posted on 05/11/2004 8:14:56 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
I'm also sick of the "smoking gun" requirement.

2 + 2 = 4 even without a smoking gun.

16 posted on 05/11/2004 8:53:00 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Dr. Frank fan; The_Victor; muleskinner
I am well aware that the proverbial 'smoking gun' (a term we should update by the way, perhaps to: 'stained dress') is not to be found in cases such as this. But read the headline again: "9/11 link confirmed"

Now read the "confirmation": 'A Hamburg Student'

Gentlemen, that is weak. That may be another bit of evidence, but it is not confirmation. BTW, I am not denying that there is a link, Peach states an excellent case, one which I agree with.

Had the headline said: 'Evidence of 9/11 link to Iraq continues to mount'

I would have had no problem. But the headline is misleading, which was my point.

20 posted on 05/11/2004 9:37:14 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('The weakest link in American security is the political link' - Thomas Sowell)
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Evidence is objective, whereas proof is subjective.

I, and my friends in the Special Ops. community have long thought there is/was a connection between al-Quida and Iraq. Saddam was well aware of the Answar al-Islam base (al-Quida) in northern Iraq. The heads in the sand clowns always respond, "But that was in the no fly-zone." True, but Saddam still controlled many areas in those zones with ground troops. Additionally, client states supporting terrorist/guerrilla organizations purposely keep their contact with said groups at a distance.
23 posted on 05/11/2004 10:00:22 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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