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Prison Abuse: An MI Officer Sounds Off
Soldiers For the Truth ^ | 5/10/2004 | Soldiers For the Truth

Posted on 05/10/2004 8:35:56 PM PDT by spycatcher

Hack,

The abuse and humiliation actually took place at 3 prisons in the Baghdad area. This was not done by accident, it was a planned, systematic way to break down the prisoners will to resist any interrogation, degrade them and then blackmail them into working for US Intelligence.

The pictures were taken as a way to intimidate the prisoner and then keep them working as low level collectors (if they did not the pictures would have been released to their family and tribes) Videos were also made as a way to record the "success" to be used as a teaching tool at Fort Huachuca (to train future interrogators). The MPs and Interrogators were told the Geneva Convention did not apply to Iraq Soldiers and Civilian Detainees. The methods the MPs used were actually taught to the MPs by military intelligence professionals and civilian contractors. This was a sanctioned operation and the methods were known to be used by Generals in the chain of command. Women MPs were sought out to further humiliate the Iraqi prisoners. The female MPs who accepted the jobs, conducted degrading acts upon the Iraq men, because such acts by women on men in the Arab culture are so humiliating, it was thought that the men would then talk just to stop the abuse by the female MPs. This abuse was done in stages and the less cooperative Iraqis were given the more degrading abuse to condition them to interrogation. The Major General (Barbara Fast) in charge of the MI personnel in Baghdad sanctioned this treatment.

Hack, if they are going to hang privates and NCOs for meting out this abuse, they better go after the Generals and Colonels who sanctioned and approved these methods be use. This is a not an isolated cace of abuse my a few soldiers, this was a planned campaign well know by the entire chain of command. There is also evidence that people in the Pentagon also knew and approved of these methods many months prior to the pictures being relased and only told the President when the pictures were published.

The DOD is now trying to pin the blame on anything else, other than the Generals amd Colonels who sanctioned this treatment.

MI Senior NCO


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abughraib; iraqipow; prisonabuse; torture
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This looks like it may get worse before it gets better. But is this took place right after 9/11 you'd see 75% of Americans approving of the psychological techniques.
1 posted on 05/10/2004 8:35:57 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
This is what I thought the first time I saw the photos.
2 posted on 05/10/2004 8:40:17 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: spycatcher
Hack is a hack.
3 posted on 05/10/2004 8:40:34 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: spycatcher
I find a major flaw in this claim. Why would the MI, CIA, or DIA leave it up to MP's to take the pictures and have control over them. This is just another hit piece from Hackworth, in fact, I would bet Hackworth wrote it himself and signed it anonymously
4 posted on 05/10/2004 8:40:57 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: MJY1288
DING,Ding,Dong we have a winner!
5 posted on 05/10/2004 8:41:52 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: MJY1288
These are all reserve or guardsmen who have screwed up. You still can't find a active duty guy who was involved. I think that really says alot in this case. For intelligence involvement...if they were going to make it a "program", then they would have controlled the images and pictures...they didn't.
6 posted on 05/10/2004 8:43:56 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: spycatcher
The story smells. All I see here is another "It isn't my fault" excuse.


7 posted on 05/10/2004 8:44:29 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: MJY1288
As usual, Mike - you are on to something.
8 posted on 05/10/2004 8:46:33 PM PDT by NordP (While our nation is at war w/ worldwide terrorism, the democrat party is at war w/ the President.)
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To: spycatcher
"Hack, if they are going to hang privates and NCOs for meting out this abuse, they better go after the Generals and Colonels who sanctioned and approved these methods be use."

Maybe the use of "hang privates" was not the best choice of phraseology, given the topic being discussed.

--Boot Hill

9 posted on 05/10/2004 8:46:36 PM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: isthisnickcool
... if anyone thinks that the US Military is stupid enough to let a soldier take pictures on a personal camera for official blackmail, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale

Get Real. These jokers took pictures for sick pleasure. The tinfoil brigade should remember this and also that the simple explanation is usually correct.
10 posted on 05/10/2004 8:47:26 PM PDT by cohokie
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To: Texasforever
I believe many of the top leftist lawyers from the ABA are having quite a few teleconferences as they coordinate this preposterous defense, they believe it will damage the Bush Administration and right now.... THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS
11 posted on 05/10/2004 8:47:57 PM PDT by MJY1288 (Our Injured Soldiers at Walter Reed Have Yet to be Visited by John Kerry. What's he Afraid of?)
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To: spycatcher
=== The female MPs who accepted the jobs

I'd be interested to know of any who did not accept the job.
12 posted on 05/10/2004 8:49:47 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: darkwing104
If these pictures were to blackmail prisoners by threatening to send them to families, wouldn't they be more effective if the prisoners faces were visible? The only pictures I have seen have their heads either hooded or hidden in the tangle of bodies.
13 posted on 05/10/2004 8:50:11 PM PDT by Texasforever (The French love John Kerry. He is their new Jerry Lewis)
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To: MJY1288
I find a major flaw in this claim. Why would the MI, CIA, or DIA leave it up to MP's to take the pictures and have control over them. This is just another hit piece from Hackworth, in fact, I would bet Hackworth wrote it himself and signed it anonymously

Egad! You are probably correct.


14 posted on 05/10/2004 8:50:54 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: MJY1288
You will not learn all the facts. If naked pictures of "Iraqi Bob Square Hats" change your vote or your values, you need an add a spine to me operation. Prosecution of the lowlifes involved is the only answer. .....my words are not aimed at you personally, but in general for the confused and troubled
15 posted on 05/10/2004 8:51:33 PM PDT by TxtoLA (Let them be judged by their own words.)
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To: darkwing104
"All I see here is another "It isn't my fault" excuse."

No, this is a "You bet I did it, I was trained to do it, everybody knew I was doing, it served a useful purpose, I was real good at it, you got a problem with that?", excuse.

--Boot Hill

16 posted on 05/10/2004 8:52:18 PM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: pepsionice
"These are all reserve or guardsmen who have screwed up"

There will be quite a few regular active army guys going down with the reservists. You can get that gist just by reading the Taguba report.
17 posted on 05/10/2004 8:53:44 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: MJY1288
I think the problem was the mismanagement of the prisons and the conflicting authority over prisoners led to the ineffective control, and possibly illegal implementation of the intelligence tactics.

I wouldn't have allowed digital cameras though. I would only allowed them to use Polaroids.
18 posted on 05/10/2004 8:53:46 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: pepsionice
"For intelligence involvement...if they were going to make it a "program", then they would have controlled the images and pictures...they didn't."

Exactly.

19 posted on 05/10/2004 8:55:26 PM PDT by walden
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To: spycatcher
HMMMMMM

The thicken is certainly plotting.
20 posted on 05/10/2004 8:56:17 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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