Posted on 05/10/2004 2:00:27 PM PDT by quidnunc
American Muslims mingling in a ballroom at the Washington State Convention and Trade Center in downtown Seattle last night showed no outward sign of the pressure many are feeling.
At the annual banquet for the Seattle chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the issues of war abroad and civil rights at home surfaced at the podium, and participants were ready with opinions when asked.
Yet this formal gathering of more than 300 people breathed the warmth and intimacy of a close-knit community.
Children dressed in their best filled the room with a family feeling.
Men from Africa, the Middle East and Malaysia greeted each other with broad smiles, tight bear hugs and soft kisses to the cheek.
Young women mostly wore headscarves, and a few had their faces veiled.
One overt political note was sounded as U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Seattle, was introduced and given CAIR's public-official-of-the-year award for his support of the Muslim community.
Before giving McDermott his plaque, Samia El-Moslimany, CAIR vice chair, announced "tremendous news."
She told the crowd that the King County Democratic Party, meeting earlier in the day elsewhere within the Convention Center, had voted into its platform a commitment to "withhold U.S. tax dollars from Israel while it is in violation of international law."
"This is a memorable day," said El-Moslimany.
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You forget that devout Muslims are far more socially conservative than most Christians. On any issue of morality such as nudity, porn, gays, abortion, etc., they make Ashcroft look like Larry Flynt.
One thing Bush could do to guarantee the Muslim vote is drop Israel. If Iraq goes democratic and friendly to the U.S., giving us a powerful partner in the Middle East, Israel will be more trouble than its worth.
She told the crowd that the King County Democratic Party, meeting earlier in the day elsewhere within the Convention Center, had voted into its platform a commitment to "kill all the Jews and drive the Israelis into the sea."
That they can lie is disputed. Lieing is forbiddin in Islam, but some people use Mohammed's attack in violation of the Treaty of Hudaybiyah as justification. Problem is, the other signee, the Quaraish, had already broken the non-belligerence treaty by aligning itself with another tribe and attacking one of Mohammed's allies. It was right for Stalin to eventually invade Germany despite the non-aggression pact with Hitler, right? Why? Hitler broke it first.
So of course those who want to lie will use this for their justification, hoping people don't know the whole story. Likewise, justification to lie to achieve an end can be easily supported by a quick Bible reading.
Correction noted. Why would any Jew (or anyone else) vote for one of them?
Show me.
That's the way I see it. This is a different type of war, but it's still war.
Exodus. God conspires with Moses, telling him that he will free the Israelites from Egypt, but orders Moses when speaking with Pharaoh to only request a three days' journey into the desert to sacrifice and worship, with the plan that they will take off as soon as they are away.
I forgot you like to completely disavow the OT when it is inconvenient, but you still want to keep the 10 Commandments around. NT or OT, the same exact same god of unchanging nature ordered a lie to his enemies to accomplish his goals.
Quite frankly, you don't know me or what I like to do. The Old Testament is about God's dealings with man before Christ came. God was dealing with our weak fleshly selves. Now, believers have a personal indwelling by the Holy Spirit of God. Whether you recognize it or not, there IS a difference. The corrupt has become incorrupt.
lol.....you can quit dreaming now. .......You anti-Israel morons are too much.
I'm not anti-Israel. I'm pro-American. If in the balance something harms our interest, I believe in dumping it. Israel is a friend of convenience to have an ally in that region, but Israel isn't really our friend -- they spy on us and have directly done some nasty things to us. If a stable, friendly Iraq exists in the future, then Israel may become more of a liability than an asset.
Since Numbers 23:19 states explicitly that "God is not a man, that he should lie", the biblical idea of "lie" must be defined in such a way as to permit the behavior observed here in Exodus.Much of those apologetics boils down to the above, which sounds to me far too much like determining what the definition of "is" is. The author starts with a premise (God doesn't lie) and must make the text reflect that premise instead of reading the text itself.
It states we must view the lies in context, in that they may have been done for the greater good (hello situational ethics). Okay, in Exodus, God had hardened Pharaoh's heart to make him refuse in the first place, and hardened it again several times after Pharaoh had agreed following a plague. If God can harden a heart, he can soften it too, to make him agree to letting them go without resorting to lies.
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