[Stagerite]

The Catholic church is still being heavily damaged in the ongoing homosexual child abuse scandal, and now it is overreacting in demanding that Catholic politicians adhere to what amounts to matter-of-faith dogma.

Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

[jackbill]

More BS.

See my #18.

[tenthirteen]

The secular matters that you refer to, in my opinion, just happen to be a big part of the Catholic church's rules and procedures. As stated before in this thread, if the Jersey politicians want to conveniently cling to the abortion issue, and are Catholic, then they can make a choice and stand by their decision by either staying in the church or finding another religion.

America is all about choices. This is no different; follow those rules and stay or break them and leave.

No one can have it both ways.

[grellis]

Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

You're looking in a funhouse mirror. Pro-abort "Catholics" are being told to stop presenting themselves for the Eucharist. The church is clearly leaving the choice up to the politicians.

[The Iguana]

Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

Did you feel the same way when bishops refused communion to segregationist politicians in the 60's?

There is no difference in principle between the Church's involvement in the civil rights struggle in the 60's and the question of fighting abortion today. In both cases the Church took a stand on a position of such importance that it was considered a fundamental transcendent human right. Regardless of whether you were Catholic or Christian or even religious.

The only difference between the two situations explains why the reaction has been so different: While a substantial part of the population in both cases opposed the Church's view in both cases, in the 60's most of the elite establishment sided with the Church on civil rights, whereas today most staunchly favor abortion rights.

I hope the same people - such as you - are not the same ones criticizing Pope Pius XII for failing to take stronger actions against Hitler and the Nazis when the came to power in Germany.

[Winfield]

Secular politicians should get their collective noses out
of church matters. I am not a Catholic, but it really angers me to hear these pipsqueeks screaming because some bishop decides to take a stand for the doctrines of the Catholic church. Separation of Church and State also means govenment should keep its nose out of church matters.
Face it, Kerry and other "pro-right to kill babies" politicians are only angry because they can no longer be considered as honest and in good standing with the millions of Catholics (er.....voters)! Obviously, except for votes, they could care less what the church teaches about morals.

[NJ_gent]

"The Catholic church is still being heavily damaged in the ongoing homosexual child abuse scandal, and now it is overreacting in demanding that Catholic politicians adhere to what amounts to matter-of-faith dogma. Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters."

Bump to that. This is like someone standing on the Tower of Babylon calling out moral edicts to the people below.

[Snuffington]

Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

Since when was receiving the Eucharist, or publically claiming adherence to the Catholic Faith, a secular matter?

[slowhandluke]

now it is overreacting in demanding that Catholic politicians adhere to what amounts to matter-of-faith dogma.

If you rewrite this slightly,

... demanding that Catholics adhere to Catholic dogma ...

it seems to be inherent in the idea of 'religion'.

I can't see how someone is a 'Catholic politician' if they do not adhere to 'Catholic dogma'.

[cherry]

"Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters."

so religious people can't partake in the govt?.....really.....

[McGavin999]

Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

They don't have their noses in secular matters, they have their noses in matter of church. If you don't believe in the edicts of the church you should not be a member of that church. Claiming to be a member in good standing to gain votes and then not adhereing to the requirements for communion are church matters.

[nickcarraway]

So you believe elected official have the right to dictate to religions their beliefs? Maybe politicians should get their collective noses out of church matters. I find no support in the Constitution for your idea that religions are owned by the government.

[Aquinasfan]

Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

Shouldn't you be at the abortuary killing babies or something?

[Campion]

Catholic prelates should get their collective nose out of secular matters.

Sorry, but who does and doesn't get to receive Communion at a Catholic Church is absolutely not a "secular matter".

Politicians who want to call sucking kids' brains out of their skulls a "right" don't get to call themselves "Catholic politicians". Period.