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To: Graybeard58
"My reaction is, So what?"

I agree with you, there was no real torture going on, nor were there any of what the media and liberal Senators keep referring to as "atrocities".

But I'm not surprised by these bogus accusations and liberal distortions anymore. Look what they did to poor Colonel West who fired a shot several feet AWAY FROM an Iraqi POW to get info from him. I expect no honesty from liberal Demo-rats or from the media anymore. They have obviously declared war on truth and honesty and are not about to retreat. I just try to keep in mind that the truth always wins out in the end. It's the only solace one can take in this insane world of lies and deceptions that we live in today.

Just as an aside, is there anyone else out there who understands the full ramifications of this traitorous, cutthroat attack on our military by the liberals? Namely, the fact that the Iraqi terrorists and thugs will no longer fear for their safety when captured, and they will not talk to our interrigators. They will know that any threats will not be carried out against them, and that our MPs will be behaving like Boy Scouts for fear of being court martialed. This whole bogus "expose" had greatly harmed our war effort.

9 posted on 05/09/2004 12:47:50 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
I don't see much, if any, difference between the defenders of these atrocities on this thread and the perpetrators themselves.
13 posted on 05/09/2004 1:06:08 PM PDT by Old fashioned
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To: TheCrusader
Just think, John Kerry and his ilk may get to cause the death and imprisonment of millions of Iraqis, just as they did in Vietnam. All the talk about "America has no stomach for war, will run once it suffers casualties, etc." IS about people like John Kerry. They sure aren't talking about George Bush.
17 posted on 05/09/2004 1:22:52 PM PDT by Williams
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To: TheCrusader
All sorts of imaginative arguments can be made to justify the actions of the individuals involved in the prison photos. They've done worse to us, it's just some GIs having fun, it's a political issue by the leftists, etc. The only reasonable argument that I have seen is that a plot to ambush has been discovered and prevented by a torture method that would have not been possible without torture. In a case or two this could have happened. Against this single argument we have inflamed opinion in Iraq and the world that we are no better than the lowly Arab that uses these methods as well as the Germans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese, and the number of other despots around the world have done.

A glaring hypocrisy that I can see is that most of these regimes did not undertake or claim to be an example of freedom and democracy in their actions. They were interested in conquest and made no representations otherwise. The problem that is more worrisome is the Iraqi opinion that has been aroused and how that opinion can be used to recruit more to the insurgency call and the deaths to our own troops that will result. Force protection and concern of the safety of our troops should be the main consideration in this issue. For these reasons, I feel the damage that has been done in the use of these methods has outweighed any possible advantage.

23 posted on 05/09/2004 1:37:14 PM PDT by meenie
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