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It's a good thing we didn't have all this unrestricted photography in WW2 or we would have lost that too. The FIRST Japanese prisoner at Pearl Harbor, commander of a midget sub that ran aground was interrogated with a 45 cal pistol to his head. A friends dad was in military intelligence, and was involved in interrogation of japanese prisoners of war, because he happened to be an Oriental language expert when war broke out . To his dying day, he REFUSED to tell what was involved, he did say he was "not proud of it" but that he would "do it again" to save US lives.

War is a dirty business. While I do not condone the routine mistreatment of prisoners ala how Germany treated Russians and vice versa, there are circumstances like when you are trying to prevent the death of soldiers in say an ambush, when roughing them up or using threats to break them down is neccesary.

It's kind of ridiculous to hold us to the standard of honoring every bit of the Geneva convention when we are battling barbarians who don't honor surrender ( they try to detonate themselves ), don't wear a uniform or distinquishing markings, hide among civilians, in schools, hospitals and mosques, use ambulance's to transport explosives, routinely execute non combatant's and mutilate bodies and proudly display them. Given the above THE RESTRAINT OF OUR TROOPS IS REMARKABLE, AND A CREDIT TO THEIR DISCIPLINE AND LEADERSHIP.

The reason civilized countries instituted the rules of war was that when one side ignores them, they invite this kind of chaos.

The reason civilized countries instituted the rules of war was that when one side ignores them, they invite this kind of chaos

The Rules of War were instituted by civilized countries to try to keep wars between civilized countries civilized. They do not and can not, work against the Atillas, Genghises, Al Huseins, Tojos, Hitlers, Osamas, and Yasins of the world. "

Damascus; no prisoners!"

There have been films out made during WW2 of American submariners machine gunning Japs in the water after torpedoing their ship.(kill them now, or kill them later, works for me) There are also films out of American soldiers and marines shooting the Jap wounded.

The Japs set the stage for it all on Guadacanal, when Americans witnessed blades flashing in the sun as the Japs beheaded American prisoners and wounded. And for this the Japs Paid ten thousand times over before wars end.

And the above does not bother me a bit. We also know what the Islamist pigs did to American and coalition prisoners. So I say stop the hazing, just kill all the 8@stards when they surrender, take no prisoners, and that will neither bother me either.

Make self preseration the top priority for the Islamist CS, they will never like, nor love us, so make them fear us for a hundred years. Let the word spread througout the Moslem world, do not cross the Americans.

To those whom in the MSM and the demoncRATs who are using this for short term political gain. You are putting the propaganda and the weapons into the hands of our enemies who use it to kill, torture and rape our American and coalition service people. you are the real terrorists in America, you are aiding and abetting the enemy, you should be treated as the terrorists you are.

I never thought I could have come to the cold hatred I am beginning to feel for some in this country. I think I now have some small understanding as to what made the American civil war one of the most bloody conflicts in history. It was the mutual hatred of two distinct peoples who no longer had a common middle ground, and we are now moving ever closer to that disaster once again.

A friends dad was in military intelligence, and was involved in interrogation of japanese prisoners of war, because he happened to be an Oriental language expert when war broke out . To his dying day, he REFUSED to tell what was involved, he did say he was "not proud of it" but that he would "do it again" to save US lives.

An older friend of mine was in WWII in the Pacific, Navy. He told me some stories about how we (Americans) fought the war that were difficult to listen to. He too would do it over again if he had the chance.

I've been looking over this whole "abuse" thing for a few days now and I've got to add myself to the list of those that aren't outraged/shocked/mortified by what happened. Call me a bad person, whatever, but I really can't muster up much sympathy.

A previous poster talked about Colonel West who fired a shot next to a prisoner's head. I remember when that happened and about 99.9% of the people on this board rallied to Col. West's side. E-mails were shot out to politicians, defense funds were set up, letters to the editor were written, etc.

I'll just leave it at that.

One thing I wonder is if these photos were smuggled out of Iraq, what sort of digital surveillance photos are being provided to the enemy (espionage)?

Michael Moore has made the claim that he has some people in Iraq shooting some footage for his hit piece on Bush (Farrenheit 911) AND he has pledged his support for the other side (the Iraqi "freedom fighters").

I'd be suspicious about just what the Fifth Columnists are doing to our military.