THE GHOUL NEXT DOOR WAS JAIL ABUSE FOTOG

New York Post ^ | 5/09/04 | ALY SUJO

[Atlas Sneezed]

Since day one, I've been saying there's an S&M aspect to all of this.

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Would this type of sexualized abuse have occurred in an all male US military?

[dsc]

"Would this type of sexualized abuse have occurred in an all male US military?"

Hell, no. You would never have seen anything with homosexual overtones like that.

[cyncooper]

"She has no clue what people are really like. She thinks everyone is good."

She thinks "everyone" is good?

Obviously not. She was raised looking at crime scene photos. Who does her mother think Miss Sabrina thinks committed the crimes? Pollyanna? What does her mother think Miss Sabrina was thinking while gloating over her prisoners?

No, I don't believe that Sabrina thinks "everyone is good". And I note that amongst the charges she's facing is making false statements, so I'll not take her word at this point for what was going on.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Growing up, her homicide detective dad and forensic science buff mom constantly shared with their daughter grisly crime-scene photos....

"Sabrina said she had to prove this," said Robin. "I told her to bring the pictures home, hide them and stay out of it."

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Nice. The offspring of public employee(s) in law enforcement and what lesson does she get?: "cover it up."

These are the future JBTs of our own police state, bu the way.

[Atlas Sneezed]

One of the women involved was in fact a Pennsylvania State Trooper for 12 years. I think I'll drive real nice if I have to travel through Pennsylvania.

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No! Our heroic local law enforcers are all "heros" after 9-11, and would never do anything to abuse the rights of those they are charged to protect.

[In_25_words_or_less]

One thing nobody seems to be saying:

The major general and the brigadier general were women.

The subject of this thread was a woman.

Twenty years ago when this "women in the military" crapola was picking up steam, guys like me predicted this kind of crap.

Now it's happened, and nobody is drawing the obvious conclusion.

Women are constitutionally incapable of comprehending the warrior ethos, much less developing it.

Some years ago one of the newsmagazine shows had a story about a behavior test where college students were seated in an electrically wired chair. Volunteers (who were told the experiment was to test the effectiveness of pain/punishment on learning) would then ask the students a series of questions; if they got any wrong, they were to dial up the voltage they thought appropriate (from mild discomfort to extreme pain) and deliver a shock to the student in the chair.

There actually was no voltage — the volunteer questioners were being tested, not the students. The students were actors, and they could see the amount of "voltage" being dialed by the volunteer, and would fake an appropriate response, all the way up to screaming, writhing, tortured agony if the volunteer cranked the dial all the way up to 9 or 10.

The fascinating thing was that while men kept voltages comparatively low throughout, women consistently (and ruthlessly) dialed high numbers, even very early in the questioning after only one or two wrong answers, and were more likely to be unmoved by the screams and apparent agony of the student being tormented in the chair.

It was an enlightening moment for me about the nature of the female of our species. At least some of them. =)

[BunnySlippers]

"She just moved out [of the house] two years ago," Robin said. "She has no clue what people are really like. She thinks everyone is good."

Sabrina sure doesn't ACT like she thinks everyone is good.

[dsc]

I learned about the Milgram experiment in college, but I hadn't heard of one that showed a sex difference like that. Do you remember any clues that might allow me to look it up?

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Growing up, her homicide detective dad and forensic science buff mom constantly shared with their daughter grisly crime-scene photos.

Gee whiz...sounds like the family next door...

[In_25_words_or_less]

I learned about the Milgram experiment in college, but I hadn't heard of one that showed a sex difference like that. Do you remember any clues that might allow me to look it up?

It was quite a few years ago, before the explosion of news magazines. I'm thinking it was 20/20 or 60 Minutes, probably the latter.

[OldFriend]

In many instances we find that children who break the norms of society have been coddled by parents who always got them out of trouble and/or excused their every misdeed.

[Ciexyz]

Look at the modern workplace. "Liberated" American women are backstabbing their co-workers at the same rate as their male colleagues. IMO, the women are even worse than the men, because the women gang up in two's and three's and form a clique, then go after female colleagues with a vengeance. Stuff they probably learned in high school, reinforced by movies that applaud female violence.

[OldFriend]

The main reason the media is calling for higher up heads to roll is because they do NOT want to focus on the true nature of those who committed these crimes......and they are crimes of stupidity more than crimes of abuse and/or torture.

[medarville]

Sabrina need some serious punishment. She is the camera woman and needs couseling while she is in prison. Is she the one that got pregnant over there? Oh no that was England while she was pulling Iraqis around on a leash or mocking their genitals she was making babies on our nickle.

[jocon307]

"I would think there's a nice feminine middle ground between dykes on bikes and burka wearing slaves."

There is, it's called normal life. Give thanks to the feminists for demanding a "gender" integrated military, and don't leave out the Military commanders and Congress critters who caved into those demands.

Do women guard men in US civilian prisons? I don't think so, but I'll stand to be corrected on that count.

This is the first long haul mission our all volunteer military has been in. Most are doing a magnificent job, but there are obviously problems, most of which are not the fault of the enlisted ranks. Will these issues ever be honestly discussed and debated? I doubt it. We better hope these failings don't cause us to lose this war.

[lelio]

Guess what Mommy, your kid just made 130,000 good, patriotic, soldiers look like undisciplined punks to a world that was just learning that our troops are devestatingly consumate professionals.

Please. It was the military / contractors of that prison, the prison's managers, and the military overseers of that prison that brought this about. The camerawoman just documented this undisciplined behavior. Don't kill the messenger.

[tertiary01]

Also the photos of the depiction of homosexuality are described (at least to quote our former first lady) "repulsive..." Who is also the party of Don't Ask... Don't Tell?

Somehow I think that taking pictures of inmates and taking them out of the prison, much less out of the country has to be a huge breach of security. I hope this woman pays, and Bush tries to put the military back on a pre-Clinton track.

[lelio]

Perhaps now we can uncover just who, or which political party, has been the most adamant in getting women into the military, and which party kept using the military for social experiments?

If you're going to try and further your case of not having women in the military you should pick a better case than a woman that exposed this behavior at a prison. Unless, perhaps, you think this behavior is just peachy.

[texasflower]

Actually, there are TWO women generals involved.

The Major General Kapinski or whatever her name is
and a Brig.General by the name of Fast.

Sorry I can't remember the second one's name.