Abu Gharib, other parts of the picture. An Interview with an Iraqi citizen

IRAQ THE MODEL | May 8th 2004 | An Iraqi

[nuconvert]

Agree

[nuconvert]

The U.S. military isn't Saddam.
We aren't Saddam. We aren't in the same league. I don't want us to be compared to that monster.
This article shows that the Iraqi prisoners are treated as we expect them to be treated. We know the crap that went on in those photos wasn't the "norm". That may be a surprise to these Iraqi's talking about life in the prison, but it isn't to us.

[McGavin999]

Howlin, could you please use your ping list for this one? I've been reading this guy's blog for months and he's ligit

[McGavin999]

Thanks for posting this F14

[sarasmom]

Well said.

[MEG33]

It matters a lot to hear this from an Iraqi.

[NordP]

Thank you for your post. As usual, this will probably not see the light of day, beyond here at FR.

You've done what you can, now it is up to the rest of us to pass this story along.

Thank you so very much...and if the gentleman and his friend, the Doctor, are reading this...thank you for your words of truth.

[F14 Pilot]

You are welcome!

[TEXOKIE]

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[McGavin999]

Ali is a pediatrician in Iraq. He and his two brothers have been recording the progress ever since the liberation. The guy is solid as a rock.

[CourtneyLeigh]

Over here in America, any distasteful acts of abuse, mistreatment of prisoners is so hushed, that even by the time a prisoner was released to tell their story, it'd be astonishing.

Over in Iraq, like many countries we've been to war over, there may have been isolated times, men, and events of prisoner torture. That doctor, honest he may be, was only there for a month. Like he said, he doesn't really know what could or even would've gone on before.

But looking back in the past, at England[UK], and the U.S. Gov'ts' involvement in wars, there have always been stories. There are always going to be "Bad-A$$" men in uniforms who think that once they are given an outfit, gun & title they can do as pleased!

Hey Look at some of the counties in Georgia, Louisiana, and Alabama! I've been told that once you enter certain counties, you'll never leave. Consider the way Mexico is said to treat their prisoners.

This is a good post, it was very informative. It's small in ratio, to the hundreds of other stories from the men/women in service. But it has stature!

[monkeywrench]

"...to combat the lies that Old Media tells."

I've never heard of them referred to that way! The "old media". I like it.

[Peach]

I'm sort of copying Rumsfeld when I refer to them as Old Media. Sort of like Old Europe (ala Rummy).

Both Old Media and Old Europe are irrelevant.

[Tribune7]

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[Tribune7]

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[Stefania]

WHAT THE MEDIA DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW..

THE IRAQIS' OPINIONS ABOUT ABU GHRAIB "SCANDAL" AND BUSH'S APOLOGY

THIS IS FROM OMAR OF HTTP://IRAQTHEMODEL.BLOGSPOT.COM

-"Thank you Sir for apologizing on the abuse of the Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison. Here you opened an important file; I think that those criminals who were responsible for the mass graves in my country (who are now in your jails' cells) should apologize for their massacres against the Iraqi people".
Imad Al-Sa'ad - Netherlands.

-"Who reads the reactions of Iraqis will see how surprised they're by the way the Americans can prove that years of Saddam's rule and of his anti-American propaganda can be washed out by time; here we have the president of the greatest nation on earth apologizes for what a small group of pervert soldiers did. And here, the American press proves that it's free to show the truth. We lived with similar pictures for years until they became the basics of every prison's daily life and we never heard an Arabic paper point them out. These are lessons from the western culture entering the hearts of Arabs, whether the Arab leaders liked or not".
Sa'eed - Diwaniyah/Iraq.

-"I think that President Bush should talk to us to fill the gap between us and I wish I could see the Arab leaders talk to us like GWB did"
Jihad Abu Shabab - Germany.

-"I'm very happy to see Iraqis condemning the abuse and defending the rights of the prisoners and this is the first time they do something like this, which was impossible for them to do under the dictator's regime. I think that our Arab brothers should mind their own business and take a look at their own prisons".
N - Jordan.

-"I think that president Bush was honest in what he said. Those abuses do not represent the American people. As a matter of fact, we can find cruel men with no morals in any country; that's why we should not judge a whole nation for the violations of a small group of people and I'm sure that these will get the punishment they deserve. Here I'd like to direct my question to the Arabic media "where were you when Saddam mass-executed my people and used all kinds of torture against us?".
Reemon A'adel Sami -Iraq


-"I think that President Bush's statement will find acceptance from some of the Arabs, while the majority will not be satisfied with his words whatever apologies they included just because he is BUSH and he is AMERICAN. I'm sure that the American officials are more upset by the event than the Iraqis themselves because this doesn't belong to their culture or their ethics as a civilized nation.
I think that the event took more space than it actually deserves and the media are creating a mountain from a grain. It's enough for us to remember Saddam's doings to comment on what recently happened".
Sameer-Jordan.

[GeorgiaYankee]

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[CourtneyLeigh]

PING!

[Ragtime Cowgirl]

Thanks, F14Pilot.
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The rule is kindness, care and respect that most of these thugs don’t deserve, and that I have seen by my own eyes.

...As for "why"; I must say that these few exceptions happen everywhere, only in good society they can be exposed and dealt with fast, while in corrupted regimes, it may take decades for such atrocities to be exposed which encourage the evil people to go on....

What happened in Abu-Gharib should be a lesson for us, Iraqis, above all. It showed how justice functions in a democratic society. We should study this lesson carefully, since sooner or later we'll be left alone and it will be our responsibility to deal with such atrocities, as these will never seize (cease) to happen.

-By Ali.

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An eye-witness account from an Iraqi doctor who spent a month on duty at Abu Gharib prison, to an Iraqi ally and blogger.

[SandRat]

Does anyone wonder why the media is not covering Ali's words?

That in the midst of this uproar, an Iraqi says it is a good thing, because it shows the Iraqi people the true difference between what they were freed from and what will be their inheritance on 30 June as a free society.

Crimes do happen in a free society but are exposed and the guilty punished; not hidden and promoted to inflict more terror as in the society that has been cast aside.

I wonder why the media is not covering Ali's words?