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Bishop gets earful on new Cathedral
Oakland Tribune ^ | 08 May 2004 | Peggy Stinnett

Posted on 05/08/2004 11:44:19 AM PDT by MegaSilver

BISHOP ALLEN VIGNERON, shepherd of the Roman Catholic Diocese, heard something he didn't like from his flock about Diocesan plans for the 17-story Christ the Light Cathedral last week at a community meeting.

These were not sheep-like Catholics, and they knew the scriptures.

What the bishop heard was a respectful bleating. "Baaaaa ..."

Several who spoke said the $131 million price tag for building the cathedral complex should instead be spent on the poor and homeless as taught by Jesus Christ and the Bible.

The proposed soaring edifice would be a "symbol of wealth and the pride of man," said one critic, asserting he knew of no one who had been asked for an opinion about the building.

Another speaker said, "I will be ashamed to enter the Cathedral if $131 million is spent to build it. That's money that should help the poor and

homeless. Our priorities are wrong."

Vigneron seemed dismayed but not discouraged, and launched a defense that there's a need for a stronger Catholic presence in downtown Oakland to "sanctify, educate and serve."

Cost of the 110,000-square-foot site, previously approved by the city for an office building, was $30 million. The cathedral design calls for a glass veil to reflect sunlight and glow in the dark. Thirty-three existing trees on the vacant site will be removed and replaced with new ones.

An unusual use of the ground under the cathedral will be a mausoleum where deceased Catholics could be interred for $1,600. For those who prefer cremation -- permissible under new rules of the Vatican -- there will be 6,000 spaces for urns of ashes. The money will be used to offset cathedral expenses,

Underground mausoleums are common in Europe and in some older U.S. churches such as the California missions. But none has such large spaces reserved for the dead as this sizable underground cemetery.

The bishop said there is a need to establish a "strong identity and sense of unity" in the Diocese, which covers Alameda and Contra Costa counties with extremely diverse populations.

He maintained the cathedral will be a parish, as well as a gathering place for the 500,000 Catholics in the diocese. Vigneron said the cathedral will be completed in 2006, and the entire complex of buildings could be completed by 2007. Of the $131 million, $80 million is for the sanctuary building.

The complex will include a new rectory, chancery offices, a conference center, a 200-seat chapel, cafe and bookstore and a 200-car parking garage expected to create revenue of $300,000 a year. The present chancery office on Lakeshore Drive and the rectory on 21st Street will be sold.

After Vigneron left the session midway to prepare for a trip to Rome, John McDonnell, Oakland attorney and choir director of the celebrated St. Francis de Sales choir, answered questions. He was assisted by Lee Nordlund, both volunteers with the project. The two men are leaders of 150 select Catholics who have participated in the Holy Names committee, previously known under former Bishop John Cummins as the Cathedral Project.

As for the anticipated core congregation, Vigneron said members of St. Mary's/St. Francis Church on Jefferson Street will move to the cathedral and become the new parish. With such a spectacular building, many Catholic and non-Catholic visitors are also expected.

But an active parishioner of St. Mary's said most people who attend are poor Vietnamese who say they would feel uncomfortable worshipping in a grand building like Christ the Light. They prefer the old St. Mary's.

A woman who lives three blocks from Grand Avenue and Harrison Street declared she would never become a member of the parish, preferring to remain in her present parish, Our Lady of Lourdes on Lakeshore Drive, where the meeting was held. About 60 people attended.

Vigneron spoke of the Forest City uptown development of 1,000 residences yet to be started that will generate new members for the cathedral parish.

Anticipating questions about his decision to close three Catholic schools, Vigneron said the Christ the Light Cathedral is not being built at the expense of the schools. They are being closed because of the quality of education, changes in the community, low enrollment and financial instability, said the bishop. The two issues are completely separate financially, he said.

The project is on its way with $65 million already pledged by a foundation whose name the bishop said would not be made public until a future date.

On May 23 at 3 p.m., Bishop Vigneron will bless the ground at the Grand and Harrison site. Everyone is invited to attend.

E-mail Peggy Stinnett at pstinnett@angnewspapers.com.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
sum of all heresies

Headed, I suppose, by the Cardinal of the Kremlin?

Good one, CoD...

101 posted on 05/09/2004 5:46:15 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: MegaSilver; Desdemona; m4629; pbear8; BlackElk; sinkspur
Cummins was a bad guy and it's no surprise that the design is somewhat wacky.

It's too bad that Vigneron seems to have inherited this and also seems to be stuck with it.

On the other hand, if you read the thread-head news article closely, the reporter indicates that Vigneron is treating this whole thing with almost a studied diffidence---which makes sense. He put up a perfunctory defense and left for Rome.
102 posted on 05/09/2004 5:52:03 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: maryz
Not a nuke plant. Nuke plants have nice domes over the top--and actually look more like Byzantine cathedrals...
103 posted on 05/09/2004 5:53:58 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: MegaSilver
While $131 million does seem a tad high,

How many people live in the Bay Area? How much annual income exists in the Bay area? What is the total amount of money spent on social services in the Bar Area? How much is spend on a sports stadium? $131 Million is a paltry sum of money. It isn't a dent on any of those numbers.

I used to live in Oakland. It ought to be embarassing that one of the prettiest locations in the center of one of the wealthiest areas of the country still suffers from Urban blight. Given Oakland's centrality to tranportation and industry it ought to have become a crown jewel. This location on Grand Avenue is a fabulous location and building a cathedral to inspire a sense of the wonder of God is to be commended.

104 posted on 05/09/2004 6:19:14 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: pbear8

105 posted on 05/09/2004 9:50:18 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: AndyJackson
This location on Grand Avenue is a fabulous location and building a cathedral to inspire a sense of the wonder of God is to be commended.

Not THIS Cathedral.

106 posted on 05/09/2004 12:57:58 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: ninenot
Calatrava's Milwaukee Art Museum is now featured on a national Toyota Motor Co. advertisement. It is really quite a beautiful structure.

Mmm... I dunno. The inside's okay, but it's all just a little too "space agey" for me.

107 posted on 05/09/2004 1:03:21 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: pbear8
It's very striking.

But it's not a Catholic cathedral.

108 posted on 05/09/2004 2:59:05 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: MegaSilver
I agree; it's just about the ugliest "Cathedral" design I've ever laid eyes on. It's even worse than the Taj Mahoney.

Which would be no mean feat.

I'm not sure. As bizarre as this design is, it is hard to surpass the boxy airplane hangar-mated-with-rec center ambiance of the Taj Mahoney.

But it's bad enough. Looks like a Richard Vosko wet dream. Vigneron should have scrapped the plans immediately and place a call to Dino Marcantonio if he was serious about having a new cathedral.

At least Marcantonio would build something that looked like a Catholic church and at a fraction of the price.

109 posted on 05/09/2004 3:11:02 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: miltonim
ROTFLOL!!
110 posted on 05/09/2004 3:11:28 PM PDT by pbear8 (Save us from the liberal media O Lord!)
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To: MegaSilver
But God also gave us the gifts of creativity and artisticism. Why not make something beautiful to consecrate unto Him?

No argument with that. Is is just the allocation of capital (financial and spiritual) that requires responsible stewardship.

111 posted on 05/09/2004 5:50:37 PM PDT by steve86
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To: MegaSilver
"Space Agey?" Remember, we're dealing with an Art Museum and the associated types who sit on those Boards.

It's an addition to the Saarinen-designed original building, put up in the (?) 1960 timeframe. And since it is on Lake Michigan, the idea was to get a sailboat-kinda image.

I think it worked. But it also sucked dry the arts-donor community up here when it went overbudget--and damn near sank the Milwaukee Symphony as a result.

De gustibus non disputandum est.
112 posted on 05/09/2004 6:13:08 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: MegaSilver
Several who spoke said the $131 million price tag for building the cathedral complex should instead be spent on the poor and homeless as taught by Jesus Christ and the Bible.

Uh, that's what Judas said, not Jesus.

Unfortunately, this church design is awful.

113 posted on 05/10/2004 5:33:06 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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