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Well at PI....

1. I have been forced to request that My DI's "Whip My Ass" (which they gladly did) for falling asleep in a Post Storm and Garrison Flag Class.

2. Had to dig a full size grave to bury a DI's pet sand flea.

3. Been choked, kicked, punched, made to get on all fours and moo and eat grass.

4. I've had to bend and thrust till the ambulance comes. (it never does) I did hear one once... the DI said "It ain't for you asshole!"

5. On the way to Elliots Beach I had to run messages from the front of a force march to the rear and then back to the front asking the last DI in formation where he wanted to meet the Gunny for a beer.(They had a nice long conversation)

6. At Elliots Beach I had to climb a tree and say "I'm a wise old owl and I know everything Hoot...Hoot."(over and over all night long)

7. I have been spit on, hit in the face with a rifle and called every bad name you could think of.

8. I managed to Shoot expert while getting my ass peppered with bandelero pins on the rifle range.

But in the end, I became a Marine. There was a reward at the end. Something I will be until I die.

So sorry guy, I disagree with you. PI wasn't as bad as being murdered, thrown from the back of a truck. Putting my head down by somebody's penis and pretend to suck him off while some little bull dyke gives me a thumbs up.

This prison crap was wrong. You can't defend it. It is wrong to try. The best you can do is point to the fact that the Arabs have never apologized for anything but we are going to be better than that.

Oh, and don't even think I was a shitbird in the Corps. I was a squad leader in PI and earned my PFC from Boot camp. (used to be a big thing) Most of my discipline came from my squad screwin' up.

No offence, Marine, but in high school we once took some kid that was asleep and posed him for homo-type pictures, just like they did to the Iraqis.

We took pictures of him with his hand in a trashcan filled with water, too

wrote all over him with crayons and whatever

Nowadays this gets you courtmartialed????

Slapped and made to dig ditches, YES, but sent to jail?