Posted on 05/07/2004 2:26:54 PM PDT by RaceBannon
BTW he was the youngest Navy Seal on record finishing BUDS at 17 years old.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wbVIgVi66k
To anti-American, leftie, moonbat zots in one day. Is this a trend?
IATZ
Hell.
FFA Greenhand initiation was worse than this back in “55”.
Buried in the ground in a foot locker.
Even when I was at PI, they would have had to kill me to get me in that foot locker. No way, no how!
More embarrassment! I’ve got to get some sleep! I’ve gotten zot-happy.
To =Two in my post 164.
Made the mistake of calling my M1 Garand a gun. Was called into the duty hut. Had to drop my skivvies and grab my rifle in one hand and my "gun" in the other. And say repeatedly.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting this is for fun"
When I'm done the DI asks: "now do you know the difference between your gun and your rifle?
Yes Sir !!
Funny, sean_hawkman signed up today and was bannished today. Trolls never learn.
Actually he signed up tomorrow and was banned today. That takes real determination. I admire a troll who works hard to stay ahead like that.
Good Lord — where the heck did that one learn to spell? (Or NOT spell, as it were!)
Yeah, I think “it” is dead now!
Hey Sean...You really don't have a very solid grip on this whole "Saddam tortured people" thing, do you?
1. Saddam did not make guys form a naked pyramid. He didn't have dogs bark at people. He didn't humiliate guys by having a female PFC walk them around on a leash. Here's a description from Human Rights Watch:
Methods of torture or ill-treatment cited included routine beatings to the body using a variety of implements such as cables, hosepipes and metal rods. Detainees reported kicking, slapping and punching; prolonged suspension from the wrists with the hands tied behind the back; electric shocks to sensitive parts of the body, including the earlobes and genitals; and being kept blindfolded and/or handcuffed continuously for several days. In several cases, the detainees suffered what may be permanent physical disability.
Human Rights Watch is too kind. If you google around you will find cases where people's tongues were cut out for criticizing Hussein. One man who survived the prisons had one of his fingers beaten off his hand with an iron bar for criticizing Saddam while behind bars. Another man, a freighter captain, was dipped in a bathtub full of acid and was supposed to be left there to burn alive. A guard had pity on him, but his back now looks like melted candlewax.
Soldiers from my local national guard unit who had given medical care to Iraqis said that mutilations were common in their operating area. Some civilians reported they had been tortured into using their incredibly scarce money (in some regions they basically had a barter economy) at certain businesses so that some government functionary could put good numbers in his next report. They medics also saw many men with severed achilles tendons, which was the punishment for draft dodging in Saddam's Iraq. We know that the Iraqi government had rapists on its payroll, because a favorite interrogation technique was to rape a woman in front of her loved ones so that they would talk. Then there's the footage of beheadings (including one beheading of prostitutes), and of people being tossed off buildings with their hands bound...and the mass graves. Do you remember the one that was found in June 2003, the one full of little kids? Some buried with their dolls, most buried alive?
So, I've already shown that it's pretty ludicrous to compare Abu Ghraib to Saddam's methods. But you fail miserably on two more counts. Read on.
2. What about scale? Twelve people were convicted or punished non-judicially in the Abu Ghraib scandal. Twelve people out of 140,000 troops working in the country at the time. How many torturers do you think Saddam had working for him? 1,200? 12,000? Even that last number may be small, we're talking about a guy who ruled by fear, total fear and nothing but fear. He didn't get "re-elected" by every single voter in the country because he had a shortage of guys willing to hurt people.
How many victims do you think there were at Abu Ghraib? Maybe a hundred, tops? In his 35 years of rule over that nation, how many victims did Saddam torture? How many thousands of people did his men torture and kill each year?
3. Saddam responded to torture by paying and promoting the torturers. He rewarded it. He exulted in it. He relied on it to stay in power, and he even made sure his sons were involved in it early in their lives. Even more than most dictatorships, Iraq was a torturocracy.
But what did we do when we found out our soldiers had done things not even in the same league as Saddam? We stripped them of rank and privileges, and we sent some of them to prison for years. Lyndie England got three years for the leash routine, and her boyfriend got eight.
Sean, as a moral arbiter, you are a total failure. Next time don't climb up on that high horse.
My son is a Capt. at MCRD San Diego. One of his DI’s got pissed off at a recruit and shoved the kid into a trash can head first. The DI is gone and the kid graduated.
Wow. What a loon that one was. He did call us “dear readers” though. I’ll give him that. :)
Ever hear of the Deulfer report?
Remember the Sarin IED?
One such shell is proof, noob.
Point to ponder: you will never understand anything until you quit worshipping Che Guevera.
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