That's not the point. The object is to bring democracy to Iraq. The object is to WIN the war. No one on the Arab Street gives a crap about the 99.99% of our military who serve honorably. Everyone can crow about how unjust it is to paint the military with these broad strokes, but the fact remains, without the support of the Arab Street, we can't democratize Iraq.
They'd better get used to it if they want to join the civilized world.
I wouldn't put these pictures in a brochure about democracy and "civilization".
Do you happen to have a time machine on you?
I used to be a big fan of Mona. No longer. She lost me when she joined the Gospel-bashing cabal (including Krauthammer and Safire) who insulted Christians (I am a Jew) with their disgraceful attacks on "The Passion". Since then she has shown her seemingly true colors, as this silly overreacting piece demonstrates.
Problem is, now the entire world thinks we're a bunch of homo-perves. And dumb ones( we took pictures!!)
Argus
You need to tell that to the idiots on this forum who are defending this barbaric action of a lesbian looking bitch. To strip naked a bunch of guys and pile them on top of each others like dead animals, and drag them from a leash is undefencable except by heartless godless idiots.
philosofy123
Just take a deep breath. It is alright to say and think that this barbaric action by this lesbian looking bitch was a big big mistake. If you find nothing wrong with draging a naked man by a leash, you need your head examined, or simply go and join the other hate filled Moslem fanatics. Any one who defend this barbaric behavior is a barbarian himself and not too far from the idiotic Islamic fanatics
philosofy123
I think this sentiment of yours [Argus: "they'd better get used to it"] is a large PART of the whole problem. We should not be in the business of exporting 21st century feminism and back street sado-masochistic dominatrix fantasies to the Iraq which we wish to help move from the medieval past. However, I think many otherwise normal americans have fallen prey to this "better get used to it" attitude. It is this attitude that is the seed that leads to the particular morons' actions in this particular case at the prison. The military should have understood and trained the troops that we are not there to bring feminism to Iraq. The extension to this S_M femdom stuff is not far behind if the 21st century feminism is let loose in this somewhat secularized portion of the traditional Islamic world.
Our society’s clash of a military mission with contemporary feminism has been left under the surface and unresolved. The big bad powerful woman who kicks a man in his testicles is cavilerly displayed in mainstream television and magazine ads in our American society. This attitude puts short-haired earnest and dedicated young women in uniforms in martial positions in the streets of Iraq. OK, that represents an important part of where our society has developed to this point in terms of opportunities for young women. BUT train them, for God’s sake, to not put it in their face. Put the KO on any young American who thinks that the proper attitude to adopt over there is Argus’ “They'd better get used to it.” There appears present in these photos a triumphant feminism and dominatrix mix that is self-satisfied with itself and is aware of no need to be sensitive to the meaning of what they are doing. [Feminism is not noted for sensitivity to anyone else, so the needed judgment is not to be found there.] I believe that the reason this training did not take place has a lot to do with a feeling of intimidation of the military in the face of feminist zealots and to some extent a culture of inability to think clearly in an official way about feminism in any other way than fawning yielding to its demands.
Quite literally, this incident is the rubber hitting the road when the society’s underside [19-22 year olds not very well educated but clearly imbibing the cultural mores of 21 st century USA] hits the road in a foreign culture.
What instruction, indeed, if any, did the military troops deployed in Iraq get as to how they were to behave in country with respect to the vast gulf between the empowerment of women in America and the different role of women in the Iraqi society.
Did the troops feel that they were empowered to bring their individual acts and statements of the liberation of women in the face of members of the Iraqi society. If so, then how easy to feel empowered to do their worst to the lowest class of Iraqi society [from the perspective of the MP]: the Iraqi detainee or prisoner. If the military does not get right that they are not their to bring feminism to Iraq, then their corrective actions will fall short. The distinction between feminism and the equality of women is an important and somewhat difficult one to draw. Perhaps the distinction between the equality of women and fundamental rights for women is even more germane to the military’s role and deportment in Iraq. In any case, the failure to address this issue with the troops due to the intimidation of feminist political correctness has got to end.