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To: siunevada
No footnotes and no quotes. Many Catholics? I don't think so.

From Vatican II:

In Lumen Gentium §16:

But the plan of salvation ( propositum salutis ) also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place ( in primis ) among these there are the Moslems, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind ( qui fidem Abrahae se tenere profitentes, nobiscum Deum adorant unicum, etc. ).

From Nostra Aetate's §3:

Upon the Moslems, too, the Church looks with esteem. They adore one God, living and enduring, merciful and all-powerful, Maker of heaven and earth and Speaker to men (qui unicum Deum adorant etc...., homines allocutum). They strive to submit wholeheartedly even to His inscrutable decrees (cuius occultis etiam decretis toto animo se submittere student), just as did Abraham, with whom the Islamic faith is pleased to associate itself.

From Nostra Aetate §3:

"Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they call on her, too, with devotion."

From Nostra Aetate §3:

Although in the course of the centuries many quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this most sacred Synod urges all to forget the past and to strive sincerely for mutual understanding. On behalf of all mankind, let them make common cause of safeguarding and fostering social justice, moral values, peace, and freedom.

Maybe not Catholics, but definitely Catholicism. The Church was obviously ignorant of the historic fact that Allah is not, and was never, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

38 posted on 05/06/2004 11:27:24 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: D Rider
Maybe not Catholics, but definitely Catholicism. The Church was obviously ignorant of the historic fact that Allah is not, and was never, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

I'd like to emphasize that all your quotes were from Vatican Council II [as you clearly noted]. The Catholic Church had never used such language before. The authors of these documents have been accused of heresy before the highest tribunal in the Church, demanding that they judge the case presented [that of the accusation of Vatican II's heresies], using the full authority of the Catholic Church.

No judgement has been forthcoming.... close to 40 years and the Church's hierarchy still refuses to judge the case.

It is one of the reasons that Mel Gibson refuses to recognize Vatican II as authoritative [binding].

50 posted on 05/06/2004 11:49:47 AM PDT by Francisco
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To: D Rider
The Church was obviously ignorant of the historic fact that Allah is not, and was never, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

Isn't the God of Abraham also the God of Ishmael?

Didn't He bless Ishmael because Abraham asked Him to?

The article stated a preference by "many" Catholics for Islam as opposed to Judaism.

Not the Church, "many" Catholics. With no footnotes or sources. (That's really my pet peeve.)

I have no problem with with any of the Church document quotes in your post. Moslems know there is a Creator. (Personal opinion, that's about all they've got right.)

99 posted on 05/06/2004 3:47:14 PM PDT by siunevada
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