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To: af_vet_rr
You wouldn't have a problem with your child engaging in sexually deviant acts, all the while hamming it up for the camera?

Their dad did it. Put it in perspective. These people were fed to dogs and plastic shredders a few years ago. Yeah, it's stupid but it doesn't rise to the level of "torture". It's hazing.

176 posted on 05/06/2004 10:27:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Their dad did it. Put it in perspective. These people were fed to dogs and plastic shredders a few years ago. Yeah, it's stupid but it doesn't rise to the level of "torture". It's hazing.

I'm hearing you say "hazing", but the pictures I'm seeing plastered all over the news and web say "sexual deviancy, homosexuality, perverts, bondage, etc."

Granted the media is blowing this up and making the Army as a whole look bad, just as they took isolated incidents during Vietnam and blew them up, but that's no excuse.

If these people are feeling bad that the pictures got out, then perhaps they should have said to themselves "if I didn't want anybody else to see this, especially my family, then perhaps I shouldn't be doing this in the first place.

Even putting my religious beliefs aside (which is near impossible for me in this case), I still find it disgraceful and conduct unbecoming. As a retired officer, I find it particularly disturbing that there seems to have been no oversight. Officers aren't expected to monitor their troops 24/7 (nor should they attempt to or be allowed), and there are times where they turn a blind eye to how things are going, as long as things get done and stay within regulations, but this was too vile and open of a thing to be ignored. If they didn't know about, then some NCOs failed somewhere.

I do have faith that the military justice system will take care of this, and those involved (upto and including their commanders) will be punished appropriatly.

185 posted on 05/06/2004 10:45:15 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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