[tpaine]

betty boop:
Whether Joan was "crazy" or "sane," the fact is: She changed history.

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The only point I was trying to make -- with which I think you agree -- is that we'll never know, indeed we can't know, if Joan imagined her voices or if something objectively real was speaking to her.

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Good point, which will be lost on the "ghost within" crowd.
-- They can not admit, they cannot 'agree', that we can't base our government, our constitutional rule of law, -- on subjective experiences that our rights were 'granted' by a higher being.

What men claim 'God' granted, they can also claim he revoked.

We must agree upon the fact that our inalienable rights are based on the rational, natural product of our self evident free will for liberty, -- and that no man or group of men can be allowed to violate them.

Incredibly, that ~was~ agreed upon in 1787 & in 1791.
One wonders why we still have to argue about it.

[betty boop]

What men claim 'God' granted, they can also claim he revoked.

Here is my personal testament in response to your claim, tpaine, above:

Not only is God not an "Indian-giver," but God does not lie.