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To: Vetvoice
I am a 100% service connected veteran of the Vietnam War.

Thank you for your service to our country.

I have no stock or other interest in any of these companies

I have no financial interest in General Dynamics Land Systems or United Defense. I am interested in their products and how those products do or don't get to the troops.

nor am I as jaded as you.

Perhaps you haven't been listening to the "tracks vs. wheels" debate as long as I have.

I think that trying to make an armored vehicle out of a light truck like the humvee is stupid.

I think "stupid" is too harsh. Many armored vehicles are based on trucks. We probably both agree that a purpose-built wheeled armored vehicle with a V-shaped, blast deflecting hull would be better than the M1114.

But a few sandbags on the floor protected from mines and if you tripped one you had to change a track - not go to a bunch of funerals.

I wasn't in Vietnam, but I have seen a lot of pictures of M113's with the crew riding on top because they preferred being shot to being blown up. Sandbags on the floor are a good idea, but don't completely solve the problem.

One question that doesn't get addressed much is why we have M113's parked in Kuwait and Iraq in the first place, instead of in daily use.

30 posted on 05/07/2004 6:18:58 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (I've lost turret power; I have my nods and my .50. Hooah. I will stay until relieved. White 2 out.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The 700 M113s in Kuwait now are, according to the manager of our propositioning station there, "The best of the rest" left over from the Gulf War." They were picked out of the ones going home because they did not need as much depot-level maintenance.

They are still in Kuwait because no general officer wants to be the first to go get them and say, "Shinseki can have his wheeled armor - give me the 700 M113s."

There is no other reason they are no in the fight.
35 posted on 05/08/2004 2:08:48 AM PDT by Vetvoice
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