Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR

News Max ^ | May. 5, 2004 | Phil Brennan

[edger]

Not only has our education system gone to Hell in a handbasket but our legal system is broke. The primary difference, I am convinced, between a first world nation and a third world nation is an honest, dependable legal system---and that we no longer have.

Even the recent fall of the dollar is telling us that "third world here we come."

[Jeff Gordon]

Only if John Kerry is elected.

Surely if John Kerry is elected.

[what i think]

"All nations eventually fall."

yes they do. different types of governments can last longer than others, but sooner or later they all fall.
i believe we have done quite well for a demrocacy {200+ years} longer than most. i'm not sure where we're heading, but within the next 25yrs something is going to happen. if you think about it, we hang on by a very thin thread to our lifestyles. if water were to go out or electricity for more than a week it might be over for this type of civilization that we live in. i think freedom has to be taken away from us for awhile sometimes, for us to appreciate it again. i think this slow whittling away of our rights doesn't alarm people enough.
that's...

[GOP_1900AD]

Witness the line which can be drawn from early 20th century anarchists and communists, to the womens' "rights" movement (really just anohter anti authoritarian movement) straight through to today's barrenness. And that is but one dimension of the problem. Make no mistake, this series of attacks has been specifically engineered, by people who understood our society and its emerging weaknesses after the collapse of more traditional forms of Western society, very well. Sun Tzu would have been proud.

[Rutles4Ever]

You think the United States might fall apart into smaller nations?

When the business and religious environment in the state where you live requires you to accept certain... ahem... ALTERNATIVE lifestyles (e.g. Massachusetts) that contradict your beliefs in order to put food on the table, you may be forced, along with others, to relocate to a different state. If Catholic hospitals in one state are forced to provide contraception and/or abortion, they will be forced to shut down and relocate to other states that will not make the same demands. It would follow that doctors, nurses, specialists, and surgeons would relocate as well. These are just two examples of scenarios wherein large segments of the population may feel forced to relocate based on personal convictions and personal needs. Once those deep cultural divisions take on a much clearer geographical form, that's when the United States will break down within. Either that or mob rule will come to roost. Public officials have decided they no longer need to follow the law (e.g. San Francisco). That's tyranny and fascism rolled into one...

[Fishing-guy]

The radical islam will eventually turn against each other and start killing each other. Look at Iraq, the followers of the radical clerics are already assassinating opposing clerics.

In US, the only way Islamic radicals can win is if they could Balkanize US. When we disregard the Constitution and start suspending the civil rights of the "undesirable" or minorities, then we are looking at the dissolution of the Union.

[Tallguy]

This author is making predictions based upon a straightline extrapolation of current trends. Nature abhors a straight line. As for Radical Islam taking over Europe: I'm betting on a backlash, and soon. If they ever reach their military potential, the Arabs better lookout.

[GOP_1900AD]

RE: "there is nothing that says that another, crueler, dark age can't fall upon the world once again." I'd add to that; the conditions for such an outcome are all in place. The worst case scenario would be that all anti Western forces form up into an Axis, and conquer the West brutally. If they had access to CIS nuclear forces, it could be pretty bad.

[Nowhere Man]

I think the guy is quite right, he sounds like my father did back in the 1970's when I remember him talking about these things back then. I think the difference between the USSR and USA is that the USSR was mainly economic, Communism just couldn't get the "golden goose" to lay more eggs and ended killing her in the process. Where we could fall is the ideological divide that is brewing, and has been brewing since the 1960's. I think that is the main point or one of them.

[ezo4]

"You think the United States might fall apart into smaller nations?"

I'll stay right ware Im at. Western WA could be considered a third world power with all the military we have right in the corner of the state. As long as all the seattle liberals get blowded up Im cool with it :o)

[just me]

Welcome to Free Republic...

[Rutles4Ever]

Most Americans live with the assumption of invincibility. One chemical terrorist attack would change that quickly. Not even 9-11 was a strong enough message to, oh around HALF the population, that we need to do something about militant Islam.

My guess is that if and when the "awful day" comes, our society will not be morally equipped to deal with the panic. I think General Franks was correct in predicting that a state of martial law would exist, and parts of the Constitution would be rolled back for immediate survival of the republic. Let's not forget that Lincoln did numerous end-runs around the Constitution for the sake of preserving the union. It could happen again very easily...

[Just mythoughts]

As a Christian who knows what is required to maintain the "blessings" which those of the Soviet Union cleansed themselves took 70 years to end their bloody history as a superpower.

This nation is separate from all others in recorded history and at its foundation is "Rights given by the Creator no man/government can remove". Yet our own supreme court gave sodomy a "civil" right. We have the "Ten Commandments" removed from a house of justice, and the liberals remove "God" from the pledge. Now the big push is perversion of the institution of "marriage", it is written what took place in Sodom and Gomorrha.

Now these liberals as those in communist faith believe they are "gods" and seek to remove all adherence to having the Creator in any part or function of all things "public".

Western Civilization is based upon the "RULE" of law and who was the first lawgiver, those laws still stand to this day, whether we Americans like it or not.

[Rutles4Ever]

They've been killing each other for decades. The difference is, they have a common mortal enemy in Israel and her supporters (i.e. the United States).

[yonif]

Militant Islamic groups may have different ideas on how to run a state once they gain power, bu they are united in one goal that they must achieve - the murder of non-Muslims. Militant Islamic entities are already in the US and have continued to operate in the US under the guise of "freedom of speech" or "freedom of religion." They probably brainwash those kids in their communities in the US as well (not all Islamic communities, but some). Wait 15 years when those kids are grown up and then you will have a problem.

[sarasmom]

As a Cold War veteran(not that it makes me an expert on the subject)I think it could easily happen here.
Relentless attacks from without and corruption from within, combined with an uninterested and lethargic dependent population...Atlas shrugged in the USSR.
Yes, it can happen here.

[GOP_1900AD]

I'll grant you that. What we do here is the basis for a robust, eventual countertrend. However, conflict will be part of the picture, just about guaranteed. The only real variables are how severe, how widespread and for how long.