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Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR
News Max ^ | May. 5, 2004 | Phil Brennan

Posted on 05/05/2004 3:50:32 PM PDT by yonif

Herb Meyer is calling for a holy war to save western civilization. But the former Reagan CIA official has a problem: Most people don’t know what it is he wants to save.

"We’ve forgotten what Western civilization is," Meyer told NewsMax.com. "We no longer teach it in the schools. If you come to the schools where I live and ask a group of high school students ‘what is Western Civilization?’ They’ll tell you it’s slavery, the oppression of women and we don’t recycle.”

But Western Civilization is not made up of our faults; all civilizations have those. Meyer contends, “It’s the rule of law, the idea of individual and economic rights, scientific inquiry - this is important stuff and our failure to teach our children what Western Civilization is may be the worst mistake we’ve ever made."

Meyer was not one just to ride into the sunset after his government service with Ronald Reagan. During the 1980s he served as Special Assistant to the Director of Central Intelligence, William J. Casey. Meyer played a key role in helping Ronald Reagan and Bill Casey win the cold war. Meyer was also one of the first analysts to predict the breakup of the Soveit empire.

Now, this former CIA analyst says it’s the U.S. and the West that may just crackup.

In fact, he has just produced a new video, The Siege of Western Civilization," that makes his point, and explains to Americans what we need to save.

Meyer also had a distinguished career in journalism. He's a former associate editor of Fortune, author of several books and dozens of published essays about politics and economics.

Meyer has put together the case – sometimes in shocking detail - the continuing assault on the very underpinnings of the civilization which has produced the concepts of religious and individual freedom, economic liberty, and the rule of law which have guided mankind for centuries.

This foundation of civilization led to a flowering of art and literature, monumental scientific discoveries and a living standard unmatched in all history.

But now Meyer is worried Americans today are willing to lose it all because they have no idea of how it all came about.

He argues that there has been an assault against Western civilization.

This attack he sees as three pronged:

A new civil war fought against the existence of any moral code governing conduct

A war against the kind of population growth required to sustain a nation’s economy and the welfare of its elderly people

An attack by a brand of Islam which seeks nothing less than to subjugate the Western world. This video is available on dvd or cassette, and is one every high school student in America and their parents should see.

Meyer tackles all three threats and explains what has to be done if Western Civilization and its incredible benefits are not to be vanquished.

"People want to be talked to seriously about the issues that confront us," Meyer explained. "They want to be talked to about the war, about our culture and about our economy. What they need more than anything else, is a way to pull it together, to connect the dots so that they have a context for following the news and for understanding what’s happening out there, and that’s what we tried to do in the video: To give them that context, to connect the dots, for them."

Population Suicide

You don’t hear much about it, but the Western world and Japan are in the process of committing population suicide – and America is not far behind.

Current birthrates in England, France, Germany, Italy, Spain and in Japan are far below what its required for a society to reproduce itself and sustain a healthy economy.

Russia is a population basket case. To reproduce itself, the birthrate must be 2.1 children per family. In Europe it’s almost half that, and in the U.S. it’s now 2.0 and headed down. In a mere 20 years, the population of some European nations and Japan will have dropped by an astonishing 30 percent.

"We seem to have forgotten what every primitive society understands: you need children," Meyer told NewsMax.com.

"They are a blessing obviously, but from a practical point of view they are consumers which an economy needs and then they grow up and become taxpayers. If you don’t have a big enough tax base you simply cannot generate the wealth to take care of the older people.

"And that’s what’s happening in Western Civilization today. We simply don’t have enough working age people to support the retired people.

"It’s the worst in Europe and Japan and we are obviously on the same trajectory. We can see what’s happening in Europe and Japan, so we have some time to deal with it."

Meyer says a second civil war is being waged against the culture of Western Civilization by hordes of neo-barbarians.

No Rules

"Back in the 1960s we just decided to throw away the rule book. We said ‘You don’t need rules anymore; everybody do whatever you want. If it feels good, do it.' That was a terrible mistake and we’re paying a price for it now. We expanded rights but no one wants to take responsibilities. You have to match the two. If you’re going to have more rights, you have to have more responsibility, but we want the rights without the responsibility."

And there is a worldwide war of terrorism against Western Civilization being waged by the fanatical wing of Islam.

Radical Islam Wants Us Gone

While noting that there are millions of good and decent Muslims in the world Meyer warns that "There is within Islam a radical streak and when the radicals are in charge, Islam attacks Western Civilization.

"It did that in the 7th century, it did again in the 15th and 16th centuries, and it’s doing it now in the 21st century. What we call the War on Terror, is in fact radical Islam’s third attack on Western Civilization. Terrorism is the tactic they are using."

Meyer insists, "We have to go back and understand just what it is we are fighting for. And when you understand Western Civilization then you have a very clear sense of who the enemy is, what they are attacking and why it’s worth defending."


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: herbmeyer; militantislam; us; ussr; waronterrorism; westerncivilization
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To: yonif
I have no doubt that the South West will leave the United States. First, the region will be Mexicanized in the executive, legislative and judicial branches. (Another result for example, the language will be changed. Already in Southern California the advertisements on buses, billboards are in Spanish) Next, there will be a gradual ignoring of the edicts of national government. Then some sort of "event" will occur. Using the "event" the Mexican leadership will simply set up their own regional government, maybe throwing in a plebiscite for forms sake. I estimate about 15 to 25 years.
121 posted on 05/05/2004 6:24:33 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: AntiGuv
AntiGuv said: "You need to have millions of Americans willing to kill each other by the millions. Good luck finding evidence of that besides a race riot once a decade or so.."

It begins by alienating portions of the population so that they no longer care.

Germany's citizenry didn't care that the Nazis were robbing Jews of their freedom, their property, and their lives.

Do you think I care what happens to the people in San Francisco, just an hour's drive away? Would I lift a finger to protect San Francisco from unruly mobs of jobless people rioting in their streets? Would I authorize a dime of taxation to quell such a disturbance?

Let them eat cake.

122 posted on 05/05/2004 6:26:14 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
LOL! You do realize, don't you, that if we did have this imaginary civil war y'all are conjuring up out of nothing that the liberals would win. Don't you? I am starting to get the impression that a lot of you seem downright excited about this idea because you think the Red states will win. Guess what, they won't. The Blue states have more money, more people, and a lot more cannon fodder than the Red states.

They have most or all the cities, and would even have a huge subversive contingent right in the midst of many of the Reddest of Red States. Salt Lake City, Denver, Austin, Houston, Indianapolis, Atlanta, Miami, Charlotte, Memphis, St Louis. Wanna take a wild guess which side they'd be on?

This debate is so absurdist it's not even funny. We are not going to have a civil war. We are not even close to having a civil war. And if we do have a Civil War the liberals and their immigrant cannon fodder are gonna win just like they did the first time.....
123 posted on 05/05/2004 6:27:04 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: ServesURight
I never read Pat Buchanan anymore. At one time, I bought two of his books. That was in the past.
124 posted on 05/05/2004 6:28:15 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: coloradan
I do not believe illegal immigrants are counted in the census. Most legal immigrants are hard working people and usually conservative. The illegal immigration problem is a totally different issue.

"3. Radical Islam will most likely destroy themselves and the host countries before they could even touch US."

I guess we could debate about the meanings of "touch" and the meaning behind the meaning. But, I rather not.
125 posted on 05/05/2004 6:29:35 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (AL)
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To: Travis McGee
Bloat, bro. Tell archy, Jeff, the ghost of Harpseal. There will be a reconing... And the left will pay the freight.
126 posted on 05/05/2004 6:33:44 PM PDT by MileHi (The ballot box is corrupt, the soap box is leftist propoganda, that leaves....)
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To: William Tell
I shouldn't have said "most or all the cities"; I should've said "most, if not all, the cities" would be Blue.
127 posted on 05/05/2004 6:36:16 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Fishing-guy
2. They still teach civics in school, right?

Um, no. Where have you been? Now they teach "diversity".

128 posted on 05/05/2004 6:37:52 PM PDT by MileHi (The ballot box is corrupt, the soap box is leftist propoganda, that leaves....)
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To: coloradan
2. We simply disagree. I believe that the vast majority of government school "civics" teachers are leftists, with at the very least, a viciously anti-gun agenda.

Just no doubt, my 8th grader can preach it.

129 posted on 05/05/2004 6:41:09 PM PDT by MileHi (The ballot box is corrupt, the soap box is leftist propoganda, that leaves....)
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To: yonif
Former CIA Official: U.S. May Fall Like USSR

You failed to predict that one so why should I believe you now?

130 posted on 05/05/2004 6:47:04 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: MileHi
I have been out of High school for a long, long, long time.

Personally, there is nothing wrong with diversity, as long as, they teach the students that it is the Constitution that allows us to enjoy diversity.
131 posted on 05/05/2004 6:48:02 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (AL)
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To: R. Scott
Great Tagline!
132 posted on 05/05/2004 6:50:12 PM PDT by lmr (John Kerry, Favorite of World Leaders: Castro, Arafat, Kim Jong IL,Chavez and Bin Laden)
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To: AntiGuv
AntiGuv said: "LOL! You do realize, don't you, that if we did have this imaginary civil war y'all are conjuring up out of nothing that the liberals would win. Don't you? "

That is why I didn't support Arnold's $15 billion dollar bailout. It is virtually identical to what his predecessor Davis wanted.

The solution to liberalism is to get them to devour their own. Only when Kalifornia is writhing in bankruptcy will the school teachers turn on the prison guards. Only then will the "jobless" turn on those "sanctifying" gay marriage in San Francisco. Only then will bloated county governments demand cuts in a bloated state government.

There will be many who consider themselves liberals today who will realize that the people and values they have been supporting are unworthy. Only then will we have the numbers to "win". That is because there is no alternative.

How do you characterize the fact that I chose to store rifles in another state rather than register them? What possible peaceful outcome can there be when the relationship between "my" state and me has come to this? As the oppression worsens, will I flee the state, fight back, volunteer for prison, or submit?

133 posted on 05/05/2004 6:50:50 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: Fishing-guy
I have been out of High school for a long, long, long time.

And you have no kids there, I guess. I do, and it is anti- everything I believe in. Don't assume that American values are being touted above the Islomofasciests in government schools, you just could be dead wrong.

134 posted on 05/05/2004 6:58:31 PM PDT by MileHi (The ballot box is corrupt, the soap box is leftist propaganda, that leaves....)
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To: AntiGuv
"I'm pretty sure it will not involve secessions and a dozen or more successor nations.."

I doubt it. That's where the fedgov will most definitely assert itself. But who knows, maybe Utah and couple other states will attempt it.

135 posted on 05/05/2004 6:59:09 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Moderate Islam is the Trojan horse; Radical Islam is the carriage)
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To: Fishing-guy
1. Our population continues to increase.

And how much of that is due to native born Americans, and how much of it is due to illegal immigration? We've been aborting our way to prosperity for 30 years now and nobody has noticed or cared.

2. They still teach civics in school, right?

No. They teach tolerance, diversity and multiculturalism in school. Any immigrants -- legal or otherwise -- are taught to celebrate their own culture and hate America by the liberal educational activists who dominate public secondary schools and the universities.

3. Radical Islam will most likely destroy themselves and the host countries before they could even touch US.

Radical Islam has been around for 1400 years -- murdering and slaughtering each other as much as the infidels -- and it hasn't happened yet.

Now, here are some points for you:

1. Campaign Finance Reform is now the law of the land. And it has been upheld by the Supreme Court. The precedent has now been set that you and I cannot discuss certain political issues under certain conditions. Good bye First Amdnment. And don't think someone like Hillary Clinton won't pick up that ball and run with it.

2. Our conservative Republican president has stated publicly that he will sign the Assault Weapons Ban if and when it reaches his desk -- probably next year because it would be political suicide for him to do it now. It figures to be even more draconian than the existing one. The foundation for the gutting of the Second Amendment will then be further along than it is now.

3. Take a look in any university engineering and/or high tech program in the country and you won't find but a handful of American students in any of them. So the cutting edge high tech innovation that has fueled the growth of America, not to mention the high tech weaponry used to defend this country will be gone in less than a generation.

4. Democrats and Republicans both celebrate what amounts to open borders. Pubbies see an unending supply of cheap labor. Dems see innocent victims of American oppression and a built-in constituency for their unending litany of government-sponsored social programs. With this invasion, along with the corruption of the public schools, what remains of the American culture will be gutted. The public schools used to be where immigrants were assimilated into the American mindset. No longer.

Think this can't play out? Think again.

136 posted on 05/05/2004 6:59:09 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Euro-American Scum
Nice post but, there are none so blind...
137 posted on 05/05/2004 7:02:02 PM PDT by MileHi (The ballot box is corrupt, the soap box is leftist propaganda, that leaves....)
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To: MileHi
Alas. . .
138 posted on 05/05/2004 7:02:42 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Noumenon
"Our ability - and our willingness - to rein in those dark impulses is our hope, our glory and our salvation. The good guys don't always win, but we never go away."

Beautiful!

Please post more often. Your remarks have always been insightful, poignant, and enlightening. Best.

139 posted on 05/05/2004 7:03:07 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Moderate Islam is the Trojan horse; Radical Islam is the carriage)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
In a word NO! The great problem is the lack of belief in the fact that Western Civilization is something worth keeping.It is a form of dry rot. We the people as a whole need to realize that the ideas of rule of law ,individual rights, accountability of govt officials to the citizenry. These things are not the norm through out human history but the glorious exception & they are worth keeping.
140 posted on 05/05/2004 7:04:17 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 REACH OUT & THUMP SOMEONE .50BMG REACH OUT & CRUSH SOMEONE!)
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