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To: orionblamblam
But when it comes to Creationism... some Conservatives just can't see past that one book that they're told is inerrant, I guess. it's sad, and does not bode well for Conservatives. That's one reason why I get so ticked off, I guess.

You ever here of live and let live. It may be that people find comfort in knowing there is an afterlife and there is a higher power. Not all of being a human is intellectual. We are a spiritual creature as well and there is an irrational side to us. I was an atheist and evolutionist in the past but I found I was denying a part of myself what it needed to be happy, to have hope. The way you describe humans you could just replace us with a Hal9000 and there would be no difference.

What do humans want more than anything else in the world? To be happy. If it makes you happy to be a frothing at the mouth evolutionist intellectual, so be it.

Other people find happiness in other ways.Even Einstein believed intently in the Creator, and he was way smarter than anyone currently alive.

promoting an intellectual obscenity like Creationism.

Right, everyone that lived before you were born is an idiot. But you have all the answers for the rest of us stupid morons. You must be a lot of fun at cocktail parties.
298 posted on 05/07/2004 1:16:21 PM PDT by microgood
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To: microgood
> frothing at the mouth evolutionist intellectual... everyone that lived before you were born is an idiot.

Wow. What an astonishingly lame debating tactic. Is that the best you've got? No wonder you abandoned reason for madness, just to be happy.

> Even Einstein believed intently in the Creator, and he was way smarter than anyone currently alive.

Well, now. Interesting you should mention that...
"Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."
"There is nothing divine about morality, it is a purely human affair."
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
"If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgement on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?"

Huh. Wonder whose quotes THOSE are?
303 posted on 05/07/2004 1:44:44 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: microgood
Even Einstein believed intently in the Creator, and he was way smarter than anyone currently alive.

Not true. And upon learning what Einstein believed, will you change your mind and follow his opinion? After all, you say that "he was way smarter than anyone currently alive."

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted, in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. But I am persuaded that such behavior on the part of the representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is able to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress.

From two different Einstein documents found here: Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion

Right, everyone that lived before you were born is an idiot [to believe "an intellectual obscenity like Creationism"]. But you have all the answers for the rest of us stupid morons. You must be a lot of fun at cocktail parties.

Before a discovery is made, everyone is ignorant of what is not yet known. No shame in that. But once a thing is discovered, and widly taught, then it becomes reasonable to criticize those who, having been exposed to the information, refuse to deal with it. For example, we are forgiving of primitive tribesmen from millennia past who may have thought the world is flat. We don't regard them as idiots. Today, however, it is quite correct to regard a flat-earther as an idiot.

304 posted on 05/07/2004 1:47:35 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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