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To: microgood
> Certainly how we got to be on this planet cannot be explained by evolution

Nor can it be explained by aerodynamic theory. Biogenesis has nothing to do with biological evolution. What happened AFTER life arose... *that* can be (and is) explained via evolution.
21 posted on 05/05/2004 12:50:52 PM PDT by orionblamblam
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To: orionblamblam
I've always thought that the statement that biogenesis has nothing to do with evolution was one of the biggest cop-outs of biology.

Darwinism is the theory, not evolution. Evolution is the phenomena being studied. The basic wrongness in the evolutionary argument is confusion between what is the theory and what is being studied. Chemistry is not a theory, but phenomena that is studied.

Major tenets in Darwinism have been refuted. The birds on the island, under close scrutiny, actually do interbreed. Etc. Some parts of Darwinism, to my surprise, have been shown, like the plant Goatsbeard evolving into a species that can interbreed with only with younger versions, and not older (speciation).

But as earlier pointed out
http://www.westminsterhall.us/hfs3/fs_evo_essay.html
the current evolutionary model (Darwinism) has some problems as a workable theory. If it is not a working theory, it has limited scope, mostly related to the first part of the essay, as a way of catagorization of the fossil record.

Darwin fanatics see much more, Creationist see much less, and I hope more stuff from geneticists will puzzle them both, like the vitamin C stuff: What do Fruit bats, gerbils, and the great ape family have in common?

DK

Leaving biogenesis out of the whole evolution thing does one thing that is fascinating...opening the door for Intelligent Design as the beginning.
25 posted on 05/05/2004 1:19:54 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: orionblamblam
Biogenesis has nothing to do with biological evolution. What happened AFTER life arose... *that* can be (and is) explained via evolution.

If this is the case, why teach it at all in the schools? I have no problem with the concepts of micro-evolution where there is real science going on, but why bother with the dinosaur crap and all those ages and stuff when the average student is not going to be digging for dinosaurs or transitional species. That stuff should be left to those that want to major in archeology or paleontology, where speculation is the order of the day.

They should emphasize the useful stuff like physics, thermodynamics, etc.
94 posted on 05/05/2004 4:35:05 PM PDT by microgood
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