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To: Zionist Conspirator
the condemnation of messianism while clinging to the church that taught a proxy messianism

That could be a contradiction, but contradiction must be part of life in middle-earth, life in the shadowlands--to borrow imagery from a protestant and a catholic-- for rule when there is no Messiah, as yet, to be had.

55 posted on 05/09/2004 7:03:12 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis
for rule when there is no Messiah, as yet, to be had.

He's ruling all right... and His rule is the only solution to Islam. Certainly not the 'carrot and stick' game we are trying to play with them. It may work for some, but the true believers don't want security and prosperity. They want war and death. Individuals such as that must either be changed by Christ Himself, (through the work of christians) or killed.

The third way is the Hiroshima/ Nagasaki strategy, dealing with them as a nation and disregarding the individuals for now.

The flaw there is that we were almost crippled by nineteen individuals.

58 posted on 05/09/2004 7:26:10 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Forget ANWR -- Drill Israel!)
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To: cornelis
the condemnation of messianism while clinging to the church that taught a proxy messianism

That could be a contradiction, but contradiction must be part of life in middle-earth, life in the shadowlands--to borrow imagery from a protestant and a catholic-- for rule when there is no Messiah, as yet, to be had.

Now you're not making any sense.

Are you justifying the hypocrisy of opposing someone else's universal utopian system while promoting your own? Are you saying that an imperfect world justifies your religion's condemning Jewish messianism while claiming the right to rule the world? Are you saying that Jerry Falwell is a "heretic" for believing that your Nazarene is going to rule the world from Jerusalem but it is perfectly hunky dory for you to believe that "our lady of Fatima" is going to bring about a chr*stian world order ruled by the Pope at some time in the future? Are you saying that an imperfect world that can accommodate the utopian messianism of the medieval Crusades cannot accommodate the utopian messianism of the "neocons?" If so you are a hypocrite, plain and simple.

At least you could have the decency to say "the difference is that we're right and you're wrong." But you when I point out these maddening hypocrisies you just shrug your shoulders? Shrug them at the "neos!"

And Judaism is an older religion than chr*stianity, and therefore more conservative, and nothing in the world can change that obvious and self-evident fact.

59 posted on 05/09/2004 7:27:53 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Are the Ten Commandments an appropriate "multicultural" decoration for Shavu`ot?)
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