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1 posted on 05/05/2004 9:55:43 AM PDT by u-89
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To: SquirrelKing
You are a Jacobin, or is that just one of Cosmo Goldberg's lies?
2 posted on 05/05/2004 10:01:24 AM PDT by dangus
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To: u-89
Intersting post.
4 posted on 05/05/2004 10:16:12 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: u-89
Good grief! America is not sending innocents to the guillotine. Anywhere. And if we have committed abuses, they are being corrected. We care more about life, liberty and justice than any nation before us in history. I would not care to have us compared to the French revolutionaries for whom revenge became a means of transforming the world. America has always sought to transform the world through the belief of liberty anchored in law.
6 posted on 05/05/2004 10:18:32 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: u-89
Another article of a confused puppy, written as a stream of consciousness. Why are you interested in this? Why waste the bandwidth? If you are against "neocons" --- yes, all 15 of them --- at least post something that constitutes a thought rather than an outburst of emotion.
7 posted on 05/05/2004 10:18:53 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: u-89
Great article. Nobody cares.
8 posted on 05/05/2004 10:24:26 AM PDT by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: KC Burke; Zack Nguyen; quidnunc; Bonaparte; epigone73; Ronzo; RightWhale; Aquinasfan; marron; ...
"everywhere applicable" alert

Politics is obliged behave and sit one step lower than the "everywhere applicable." How on earth is it possible? Especially when one pious extreme has already crowned the State divine, and the other the Ego (so appealing in the sweet certitudes of reason or will).
11 posted on 05/05/2004 10:28:47 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: u-89
Author should have stayed on topic, McDonalds.
12 posted on 05/05/2004 10:29:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: u-89
I'm waiting for the usual imbeciles that come on these threads accusing everyone of anti-semitism being that neocon is a codeword for Jew.
13 posted on 05/05/2004 10:32:41 AM PDT by AAABEST (<a href="http://www.angelqueen.org/forum">Traditional Catholic News Forum</a>)
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To: u-89
"Holy Illuminati, Batman !"
15 posted on 05/05/2004 10:34:42 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: u-89
"This is the emerging American ruling class, which is made up increasingly of persons used to having the world cater to them. If others challenge their will, they throw a temper tantrum. Call this the imperialistic personality..."

I wish they only threw a "temper tantrum" as their all growed-up version results in real world cruelties and tarnishes our great country with it's vulgarity and mercilessness.
16 posted on 05/05/2004 10:35:55 AM PDT by mr.pink
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To: u-89
So now the paleoconservative line is neoconservatives = Jacobins?

I thought it was neoconservatives = trotskyites.

Make up your minds.

17 posted on 05/05/2004 10:36:53 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: u-89
Thanks for posting this. I tried to pick up Ryn's latest book at the library, but some professor or grad student had checked it out until July.

A few more essays by Professor Ryn:

Imaginative Origins of Modernity: Life as Daydream and Nightmare , touching upon the more delusionary aspects of modernity

The Ideology of American Empire(PDF Format)

18 posted on 05/05/2004 10:41:43 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox
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To: u-89
That darn neocon Thomas Jefferson!

That darn neocon James Madison!


OOOHHH they make me so mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!

21 posted on 05/05/2004 10:50:15 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: Poohbah; dighton; section9; Dog; Pukin Dog; Long Cut; PhiKapMom; Howlin; Catspaw; Miss Marple; ...
LEWSER Rockwell alert...

Seriously, these guys have NO concept of how things changed. The oceans and distance do not protect us any longer...
33 posted on 05/05/2004 12:22:04 PM PDT by hchutch (Tommy Thompson's ephedra ban STINKS.)
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To: u-89
Lew Crockwell.

Nest of the loony PaleoCONS.

34 posted on 05/05/2004 12:31:42 PM PDT by veronica ("Kicking butt is mandatory - taking names is optional." - US Navy)
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To: u-89
Midge Decter, the controversial new president of the society, praised the United States as embodying universally applicable principles, and endorsed the aggressive foreign policy that is the hallmark of the Bush administration.

Well, I'm no advocate of democracy (as you will know if you've ever read any of my other posts), but this hatred of universals evinced by the "palaeos" is nothing but paganism. It is a rehash of the old lie that "indigenous" (if you're leftwing) or "autochthonous" (if you're rightwing) peoples "evolve" their cultures and their values slowly over the eons and that each "evolves" what is best for it. This is simply polytheism/henotheism. A different "gxd" for each culture perhaps? Hmmm?

They have propounded a new myth – the myth of America the Virtuous – according to which America is a unique and noble country called to remake the world in its own image. The myth provides another sweeping justification for dominating others.

Right. Every true conservative knows this is a lousy country that exterminated Indians, enslaved Blacks, stole the southwest from "indigenous/authochthonous" Mexicans, obliterated the quaint Japanese emperor-worship (just because our ships got in the way of their bombs) etc., etc., etc.

One kind of universalist ideology, communism, has been replaced by the ideology of American empire, and the stage is set for another cycle of crusading. With neo-Jacobins shaping U.S. foreign policy, whether as Democrats or Republicans, America and the world can expect an era of chronic conflict.

Once upon a time "chr*stendom" believed it had the one true religion which the rest of the world had to accept (in fact, they sort of invented "crusading"). It's amazing how many anti-universalist "palaeos" embrace this allegedly "universal" religion. Maybe they don't think it takes its universalism so seriously, huh? Maybe they think of it as merely the evolved religion of "the west."

Could any goal be more appealing to the will to power than ending evil? The task is not only enormous but endless. No conservative would need to be told that evil cannot be "ended"

Nope, no "true conservative" believes that evil is anything less than eternal. There's no ultimate victory of good in an apocalyptic, messianic, eschatological Kingdom of G-d, is there (that there'd be liberal commie do-goodism!)? I suppose Communism is ultimately the fault of orthodox religious messianism. So "palaeos" advocate heterodoxy in religion?

Already the Muslim world is seething with hostility.

Yep! It was only a matter of time!

China, which has long found Western hegemony intolerable and is already strongly prone to nationalism, can be expected to respond to American assertiveness by greatly expanding its military power. If present trends continue, the time should soon be ripe – in 50 years perhaps? – for a horrendous Sino-American confrontation.

But I thought that "palaeos" wanted to invade China and Cuba and was just against fighting their Arab darlings! Don't some "palaeos" insist that Israel secretly runs China and Cuba and that therefore it's all right to impose an American imperium on them?

For Christians, the cardinal sin is pride. Before them, the Greeks warned similarly of the great dangers of conceit and arrogance. Hubris, they said, violates the order of the cosmos, and inflicts great suffering on human beings. It invites Nemesis. On the Apollonian temple at Delphi two inscriptions summed up the proper attitude to life. One was "Everything in moderation," the other "Know Thyself." To know yourself meant most importantly to recognize that you are not one of the gods but a mere mortal.

Yeppers. Different ways of putting it in different (all equally valid, "autochthonous" cultures). But doesn't that make it sound like a--gasp!--universal truth??? Oh well. Mustn't give in to the commie one-world notion of there being but One G-d and One True Religion which must eventually triumph over all others. That's Jacobinism, unless it's done by "palaeos" praying to "our lady of Fatima."

As for the old Hebrews, in Proverbs (16:18) we read: "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

What's this??? The Talmudic Khazars who are the source of all the eeee-vil in the world (that is to say, if evil is defined as the "Jacobin" belief that good and evil exist) being invoked by a righteous anti-universal "palaeo???" It is these very Hebrews (whose ancestors turned ancient Egypt into a COMMIE STATE under SOVIET DICTATOR JOSEPH and who were finally expelled by those fine upstanding autochthonous Egyptians when Moses fluoridated their drinking water!!! [/sarcasm]

The world needs "moral clarity," not obfuscation.

True conservatives of course despise moral clarity as much as they do the notion that a religion can be translated from the culture in which it "evolved" to another.

Many of those who shape the destiny of America and the world today are just such "terrible simplifiers" with absurdly swollen egos.

And of course true conservatives look with disdain on those with simplistic, good vs. evil worldviews. Maybe Revilo P. Oliver (y'sh"v) was right and the very concept of "good and evil" is so "alien" to the "aryan" mind that we should expunge it.

In 1789, George Washington proclaimed a day of thanksgiving for all the good bestowed by Almighty God on the American people.

The American "gxd," right? I mean, unless each nation "evolves" its own "gxd" and its own autochthonous worldview, crusading Wilsonianism is just around the corner, right?

He asked his fellow Americans to unite "in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the Great Lord and Ruler of nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions."

What??? "'The Ruler of nations???'" Treason! This is unadulterated Judaeophilia!!! One G-d implies one religion and the eventual accessions of all mankind to it, and that's the death knell of autochthony/indigenousness! And you know what that causes??? RACE MIXING!!! And not the good kind (Arabs), but the bad kind, with all those other people!

And the author teaches at Catholic University of America? So rightwing Catholics now officially believe chr*stianity is the religion of "western man" alone and that the other autochthonous cultures of the world should be left alone??? It's utterly amazing how many "catholics" are opposed to any sort of universal truth as being a radical "jacobin" concept.

And as a signature, I am not an advocate of democracy, Wilsonianism, American empire, or even foreign aid, but I am disgusted by the concept of subjective, utilitarian, national/cultural religion. If there is no One G-d Whose rule will eventually be recognized by all mankind then not only do "right and wrong" not exist, but all other ideologies (including "true conservative" ones that oppose the concept of "right and wrong") have no reason to exist either. Either reality is defined by the One G-d or it is made up of random chaos in which all ideological positions/goals are futile and illogical. The sin of Communism was that it was a non-Theistically based moral system. And apparently many "palaeos" subscribe to one as well. And there isn't a dime worthof difference between one non-Theisticall based moral system and another.

How odd that traditional morality (adhered to by some as Divinely revealed and by others as a product of eons of cultural evolution) should join on the same side of the political spectruem the True Believers (this writer) and the disciples of H. L. Mencken (y'sh"v) and the hoarde of professional Puritan-bashers. And I think people who chant "spiritual messiah" while advocating Caesaro-papism are hypocrites.

Either "conservatism" is what G-d says it is or it is merely another false system that must be rejected.

Click here if you dare!

47 posted on 05/09/2004 3:20:50 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Are the Ten Commandments an appropriate "multicultural" decoration for Shavu`ot?)
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To: u-89
There is something about the characterization, though the paleos are so alienated from contemporary American life that just about everything here would look "Jacobin" to them. Today's world is very different from that of Ryn's hero Irving Babbitt (who was himself quite alienated from the rest of the country during his own lifetime), so there's little hope than anything about today's America would satisfy Ryn. We can change or at least examine what we do much more easily than what we are, and that's probably where the appeal ought to be directed.
50 posted on 05/09/2004 6:11:54 PM PDT by x
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To: u-89
To me, the more intersting facet of this article is the domestic policy aspect.

Although the classical and Christian view of human nature has eroded, big government still has a bad name in America. Challenging the Constitution outright remains risky. Americans attracted to the Jacobin spirit have therefore sought instead to redefine American principles so as to make them more serviceable to the will to power.

Before 911, I sadly scraped the Bush campaign stickers off my car. I was shocked at the spending, the expansion, the capitulation to big government ideas apparent in the Kennedy education bill, the kowtowing to poverty pimp loudmouths, the spineless reality of 'compassionate conservatism' and the 'new tone'.

With the war, however, I'm truly in favor of it. WE WERE ATTACKED. They want us dead. They can't be talked out of it or reconciled with.

I just wish we would use some nuclear subs instead of tanks and humvees to do the job. That method spills less American blood.

56 posted on 05/09/2004 7:14:07 PM PDT by ovrtaxt (Forget ANWR -- Drill Israel!)
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To: u-89
Terminal asininity from a leftist idiot.
67 posted on 05/10/2004 7:04:47 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (4)
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